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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2011, 08:19:45 PM »
Forgive my uninformed opinion, but I was under the impression that digital signals do not have "better" ones and zeroes when played through an expensive cable.  The signal is either transferred or it isn't.  Your picture/sound quality is determined by your hardware and the source quality, no?
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2011, 08:24:14 PM »
Did you do it blind?  Did you give it the Pepsi Challenge?   Expensive cables are marketed directly to idiots.  Just because a difference can be measured with a meter, it doesn't mean the difference can be noticed by a human.  There's a big reason that the markup on any computer or a/v cable is through the roof.

As I recall it was a blind A/B done in our office showroom.  Every part of the system has a hand in the final output, I'll use audio because that's what I'm more familiar with, also being somewhat colorblind makes it harder for me to evaluate video.  

If you take a 2 channel stereo system and swap out the source, say a CD player, or turntable you will get a different sound, swap out the receiver or amplifier and you will also get a different sound just like changing the speakers all the individual components add up to an end result.   The signal going from stage to stage in the system has to get there along interconnects and other cabling, the signal is subject to all kinds of things that can distort or impede the original signal.  If that signal get's altered the end result is going to be different, it is after all the sound, music, etc. that you want to hear that's come off the original source.  A good cable is going to make help make sure that the original information get's there w/ as little interference and in the right order.  

Now it's all relative, are you going to hear a difference listening to music through the crappy speakers on a TV?  No, probably not, there's also a point of diminishing returns where the amount of bang you get for your buck will be less and less.  To use the original example, I doubt any TV you can get at Bestbuy is going to really be worth spending that kind of money on a HDMI cable.  Nor would I ever probably spend that kind of money on a cable, I don't have the means to afford the type of system that would actually make it worthwhile, but if you have a decent system, then yes cabling can make a difference, absolutely.
 
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2011, 08:33:16 PM »
Forgive my uninformed opinion, but I was under the impression that digital signals do not have "better" ones and zeroes when played through an expensive cable.  The signal is either transferred or it isn't.  Your picture/sound quality is determined by your hardware and the source quality, no?


Yes and no, there's a cable manufacturer that has some pretty good articles on HDMI and the issues associated with it.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/hdmi-cables.htm?hdmiinfo


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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2011, 10:11:11 AM »
 :rofl :rofl they pulled ALL of the reviews. Now it has a "Be the first to review this product" under it.


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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2011, 10:53:49 AM »
:rofl :rofl they pulled ALL of the reviews. Now it has a "Be the first to review this product" under it.


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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2011, 12:16:30 PM »
I still see reviews as old as April.  This is one of my favorite lines:Even though I just had a small 20-inch vacuum tube television and VCR-laserdisc combo player, my favorites immediately were up-converted to High Definition.


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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2011, 12:27:46 PM »
Marketed directly towards idiots.

Bose is the identical thing.   
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »
Bose is the identical thing.   

Bose has my favorite slogan.
"If you can't hear the high's and can't hear the low's, it might be a Bose".
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 01:35:55 PM »
I was looking at the over 1000 dollar Audigy "Vodka" HDMI




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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2011, 05:37:15 PM »
I bought a HDMI hi speed cable (6 ft) at Fry's for $6.95.
Picture looks great!

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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 06:48:47 PM »
Nobody will ever "hear the difference" between cables that carry digital data.

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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 09:42:10 PM »
Bose has my favorite slogan.
"If you can't hear the high's and can't hear the low's, it might be a Bose".

Not directing this at you specifically. but rather more of a general statement
For as much as I've heard people knock Bose for various reasons. When I've asked those who typically do. Ive yet to find someone who as actually bothered to spend any time listening to them themselves. But rather go by what other people have said.

My own personal experience with them has been that it depends on what item your listening to and how they are set up in a room.
Which is pretty much on par with any other brand system I've listened to.

I've heard very few Bose products (their loudspeakers in particular) that perform nearly as poorly as what folks have claimed. Most  of the time (but not all) they sound nothing short of fantastic. And most of the time when they didnt was due more to either poor placement within a room. Or cr@ppy settings the owner was using for their particular taste.
I've heard the exact same model systems sound completely different in different homes. But those that were properly set up I havent heard any of the problems widely described.

Which again is about on par with just about any other system regardless of brand I've heard.
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 10:30:10 PM »
Agree with drediock on Bose...  Some of the earlier Bose systems were awful and even the newer ones have flaws that a "real" audiophile will be able to easily pick out, but the sound is pretty good for most uses.  The primary gripe I have with Bose is that the systems are pretty expensive compared to a DIY setup.  The problem with DIY setups is that not only does the buyer have to figure out what components will be "matched" in their house/room/wherever, they also will probably need to dig into the equalizer to get everything balanced.  I know I probably spent 2 months researching my first home theater speakers, and then spent another month tweaking the installation and equalizer before I was happy with how they sounded.  Yea I paid 2/3 of what I would have spent on a Bose system that would give me the same results, but it took 3 months of fiddling to get there.

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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2011, 10:34:51 PM »
Not directing this at you specifically. but rather more of a general statement
For as much as I've heard people knock Bose for various reasons. When I've asked those who typically do. Ive yet to find someone who as actually bothered to spend any time listening to them themselves. But rather go by what other people have said.

My own personal experience with them has been that it depends on what item your listening to and how they are set up in a room.
Which is pretty much on par with any other brand system I've listened to.

I've heard very few Bose products (their loudspeakers in particular) that perform nearly as poorly as what folks have claimed. Most  of the time (but not all) they sound nothing short of fantastic. And most of the time when they didnt was due more to either poor placement within a room. Or cr@ppy settings the owner was using for their particular taste.
I've heard the exact same model systems sound completely different in different homes. But those that were properly set up I havent heard any of the problems widely described.

Which again is about on par with just about any other system regardless of brand I've heard.

Bose uses inferior products and upsells at almost 10-15x of what they are worth.   They cannot advertise ANY product with a "Subwoofer" because of tiny/inferior driver sizes.   Bose does only one thing well, marketing.    Their Headphones are inferior to any line of comparable Shure's for starters.   Sennheisers/AKG/Grado's kick their butts all around the room as well.    

Definitive Technology & SVS will blow them out of the water and leave money in the bank in comparison to their Acoustimass systems.   Those are just two Brands that will accomplish that feat.  

Every Bose speaker product has a gap in the Frequency Response and this is why they will not/do not publish their data.   There are many professional "breakdowns" that are extremely reliable, non-biased and to the point on the internet.   They all say the sames things that PT Barnum said more than a hundred years ago.

Rooms have nothing to do with an inferior product.   If you think I haven't listened to Bose, you'd be sadly mistaken.   I have personally gotten 20+ friends/people out of that crap and into something superior and easier on the wallet.  

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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2011, 01:04:28 AM »
when we were selling loudspeakers we would often have Bose systems set up side by side so people could hear the difference. NEVER have I heard a Bose system compete one on  one like that. They are marketed well, period. I had a guy who had bought a wave radio, more to the point, he bought into their claims that it sounded as good as a full size system. I let him bring it in and it fell flat on it's face when compared to even the cheapest, smallest studio reference speakers we had. He returned it, after a nightmare of an experience with their cutomer service people.