Ailerons absolutely have authority, they just work against you. But when using ailerons you are increasing or decreasing a wings camber. This has the effect of changing the MAX AOA of the wing section containing the aileron. And hence why many planes snap when trying to correct with ailaron. They stall the outer wing section.
But using aileron in the direction of the spin can hookup a section of the wing again when very close to the spin being stopped.
What happens when you try to do this? Normally it makes for a very nice snap. It's even more fun doing it for real when in an inverted stall.
Not true, a spin is around both axis, the pitch angle determines how much is yaw, how much is roll. Or more precisely.
The difference in lift between wings creates a roll, the difference in drag of the wings creates the yaw. The ratio of these will determine the nose up attitude.
I agree.
HiTech
If you are telling that you are able to recover from the spin to the right by only applying left rudder. But I thought I had read where you had to apply aileron to stop the rotation for the spin to the right.
That you were able to stop the rotation for the left spin alone with just right rudder, but you had to use aileron and rudder to stop the rotation for the spin to the right? That sounds different to me. Others have said that they used power to recover not just rudder.
If it is just my system, wow, I’ve tried several different sticks and even using just the mouse, same result. Other then calibration not sure what is available to me to check or correct it. I can recovery every other type of aircraft that I’ve tried just not the P38L.
Here is what Soulyss and others said earlier in this thread:
You can stop a spin to the right in the P-38L under the conditions you describe by bringing up a little power on the right engine while leaving the left throttle all the way back and using left rudder.
The stall to the right does seem to behave differently than the stall to the left, why I couldn't say but you can recover from it.
I too wasn't able to recover from a right-hand spin, but had no trouble with a left-hand spin.
I had the same results at Traveler with the P38L; recovered without difficulty left and right required differential throttle control to recover.
I tried it in the J and I had no problem either way... I wonder if the drag on the christmas tree rocket rails on the L isn't the same on both sides?
Just spent some more time in the TA doing spins in the 38L.
You guys that are able to recover, any chance you're using some aileron in your recovery technique?
If I used the standard spin recovery of throttles idle, ailerons neutral, opposite rudder and forward stick the spin rotation would increase slightly and did not recover from the spin.
If I used the standard anti spin controls PLUS aileron INTO (left spin, left aileron) I got consistent recovery withing 5 or 6 additional turns. (Pro spin aileron makes sense IF adverse yaw is modeled, but what I'm seeing in the spin is a bank away from spin rotation -- once the bank is neutralized with aileron you get immediate recovery)
I'm seeing this with or without bombs loaded, both left and right spins.
Spins were started at 20K, slow deceleration and allowed to go until spin stabilized (3-5 turns) before recovery. Recovery was from 10 to 13K.
HiTech not sure you read the entire thread, I understand that you are a busy man and perhaps you didn’t . But it isn’t just me that is encountering this issue. If you did read the entire thread, then it bothers me that you came away feeling that is was just me having this problem.
