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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2012, 01:08:05 PM »
You're looking at it incorrectly.  She'll gain a diploma, as well as training.

Not to mention explore other arts she might not of had access to before and have a huge investment cost - glass/clay kilns/ovens come to mind.


Another good thing about artistic talent, possesing it, and having a little time... more time to apply for more scholarships/grants, and there's a lot for artists (but they usually take time for their work to be reviewed or other art-related reasons).
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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2012, 01:40:50 PM »
She's good.  Definitely persuade her to get into graphic design as that's where the money is at in the Art profession.

Some people make good money designing Tshirts.  One example is http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/ as it has a weekly competition that anyone can enter and make money with.. I think it's about $2 for every shirt they sell with your design on it (if you have one of the top three designs that week).  If nothing else creating T-shirt designs can get her a lot of experience and the community there is very helpful as well!

Also consider getting her a PC design tablet if she doesn't have one already!

I'm in graphic design, tell her to stay the hell out of it. She's an illustrator and she would hate the graphic design world anyways. Know a few others that do illustrations and they can't stand to do your typical design work. she belongs at disney or something at that level.

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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 01:53:44 PM »

She obviously is talented.

I assume since you are posting this you are inviting comment else I wouldn't presume.

My advice is that she could probably get 95% of the exposures to all the techniques and technology by getting a minor in Art and getting a major in something that will put food in her belly and a roof over her head.  Or perhaps a double major as a compromise.

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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2012, 09:04:20 PM »
Today's "where the money's at" field is tomorrow "flooded with college graduates who were told that's where the money's at coming out of high school" field.
My friend works at Best Buy and just about every one of his co-workers is a 20 something with an engineering degree. Most kids drop out of these big bucks STEM fields anyway. May as well pay the money doing what you want to do the first time around instead of wasting time and money just to be left there anyway.
Not that I have a whole lot of life experience to speak of.

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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 09:52:50 PM »
 Very nice stuff Goaly! :aok


  I have a cousin who studied art,he ended up making movies,animated of course,very likely you've seen some of his work.   Roger Rabbit!


  Anyhoo,good on you for helping her follow her dreams!




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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2012, 09:54:47 PM »
Today's "where the money's at" field is tomorrow "flooded with college graduates who were told that's where the money's at coming out of high school" field.
My friend works at Best Buy and just about every one of his co-workers is a 20 something with an engineering degree. Most kids drop out of these big bucks STEM fields anyway. May as well pay the money doing what you want to do the first time around instead of wasting time and money just to be left there anyway.
Not that I have a whole lot of life experience to speak of.

If the bold part is true, then they're not trying hard enough to find jobs.  Jobs are out there.  They might not be where they live, but they can get them if they make some sacrifices.
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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2012, 10:56:58 PM »
Encourage her.

I would discuss the realities of art being both art and business. Encourage her to consider a minor in business to give her the chops to support that incredible talent. Even Michelangelo had to handle the business realities.

Best of luck, great opportunities ahead!

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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2012, 11:59:07 PM »
Traditional art isn't going to be very lucrative for her.

Designing company logos and such isn't going to be very satisfying for her

She should consider 3D graphics, character design and animation.

Competitive field but always growing and here to stay. Her artist's sense of proportion and composition will be a huge asset.

With the right computer training she should be able to find a career in the motion picture industry, game development etc.

She certainly wont be as happy or successful in a career that doesn't utilize her god given talent.

The technology that is on the horizon is going to be mind blowing. Wish I was young and talented enough to be a part of it.
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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2012, 02:14:07 PM »
Traditional art isn't going to be very lucrative for her.

Designing company logos and such isn't going to be very satisfying for her

She should consider 3D graphics, character design and animation.

Competitive field but always growing and here to stay. Her artist's sense of proportion and composition will be a huge asset.

With the right computer training she should be able to find a career in the motion picture industry, game development etc.

She certainly wont be as happy or successful in a career that doesn't utilize her god given talent.

The technology that is on the horizon is going to be mind blowing. Wish I was young and talented enough to be a part of it.

good advice :aok

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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »
My daughter, who has always been a doodler, wants to pursue a career in art when she graduates high school.

I fully understand how difficult it can be to make a living as an artist. But, I don’t want either of us to spend the rest of our lives wondering, “What if?”… So, we are going to take the chance.

As luck would have it, our local collage offers “Children’s Book Illustration” as one of the art majors. My daughter plans to major in that, with a minor in graphic design.  I was very interested to learn that the course in Children’s Illustration seems to be as much about business and marketing as it is about artistic technique.

Here are a few of the MANY artworks that she has done recently. There is always a project on the computer, or a doodle laying on top of the desk. And, these are not a version of somebody else’s work, she creates all of the characters herself.

Like her Dad, the girl is a video gamer.
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A homemade Bithday card.
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Her first watercolor. Not an art class project, she just did this over the course of a couple of evenings while watching TV.
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This was a quick picture she made after I saved her laptop from the “Blue screen of death”.
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And finally, one of the MANY doodles that seem to always be cluttering up the top of our desk.

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While this collage major may be an expensive risk, It is a chance I want us to take. An added benefit of the collage being local is that she can live at home and save money while she is in school. More than I like the idea of saving money, I’m glad we will have her close to us for a little while longer. She is a great kid.

Wish her luck!






Very nice work, I must say.

My cousin graduated from the Philadelphia University of the Arts.  He also had natural talent and I often wondered why he spent all of that money on schooling but, as he progressed and told me about it, it made sense.  Just as a natural athlete needs a coach to refine their skills, prevent bad habits and learn the in's and out's of a career, so does an artist.  It is worth it, if she is serious about making it a career.

Yes, he "starved" for a bunch and had to make a living at other various jobs (delivering newspapers, landscaping, etc) for a while and he even served a few years in the army.

He has now moved to Los Angeles and is finally making a living, doing what he loves to do. 

http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/thomas-hoyle.html

The secret is that if you love your career or craft, you will never work a day in your life.

I encourage my kids all of the time (both budding musicians) that, if they want to pursue a career in music, put every effort into it and don't go halfway.  I don't expect them to be rock stars, but there are more careers in music than just that.  Being an accomplished session musician that can be handed a chart on Monday, sight-read it, and prepared to record your part on Tuesday for say, a TV commercial jingle by Wednesday is more flexible than hanging out in a garage and counting on luck to "make it big"   I tell them to work as hard as you can and be the best that you can be at your profession and the rewards are endless, the least of which being the lack of dread about waking up every day and going to a place that you hate, performing tasks that you despise all because you need to survive.

I wish her the best of luck  :aok
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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2012, 03:38:24 PM »
I went to college for a degree in graphic design (signs/advertisements not CGI). If she has a love for it I would say let her do it.

My youngest wanted to go for culinary arts.She had a 4.0 through high school and graduated a year early, she could have done anything. We encouraged her and she's loving it. One thing I would suggest though, also encourage her to pick up another trade or skill as her minor. Believe it or not art is a cut throat field. There's only so many jobs in a field like that and there's an over abundance of people wanting to fill them, especially in today's economy.

My profession is in the I.T./Security world. That's where I make my money and support my family now. I still love art but ended up here. Encourage her to follow her talents but to also have a backup plan while she's gaining experience, contacts, and skills in the field she wants to go into. Actresses want to act, but most wait tables for decades before they "hit it big". She may prefer doing something else while pushing towards the big goal.

Major in art, minor in something that she could pay the bills with instead of living in your basement till she's 23.

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Re: My daughter wants to study art in collage…
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2012, 05:25:12 PM »
Today's "where the money's at" field is tomorrow "flooded with college graduates who were told that's where the money's at coming out of high school" field.
My friend works at Best Buy and just about every one of his co-workers is a 20 something with an engineering degree. Most kids drop out of these big bucks STEM fields anyway. May as well pay the money doing what you want to do the first time around instead of wasting time and money just to be left there anyway.
Not that I have a whole lot of life experience to speak of.

Engineers without any secondary experience/degrees/specialty (project management, CAD, environmental ____ ) are a dime a dozen off the boat that just docked at the pier from India.  An experienced/refined civil/structural/hydrolic worth their beans are still in very high demand, at least in this city.

Very nice stuff Goaly! :aok


  I have a cousin who studied art,he ended up making movies,animated of course,very likely you've seen some of his work.   Roger Rabbit!


  Anyhoo,good on you for helping her follow her dreams!




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