monitor response time question!

[68valu]

 greetings all. I have a question regarding monitors:

what is the benefit (if any) of say a 2ms versus 5ms response time monitor with respect to playing aces high?


                                                                                68valu

[Chalenge]

Nothing you will ever notice. Most manufacturers fudge this number anyway. Originally monitor response time was a measure of a black pixel to color white and then back to black. Lately companies have taken to measuring grey-to-grey instead. Most monitors today have an actual black-white-black response rate of 8-16ms and grey-to-grey of 2-5ms. I think anything better than a black-white-black of 12ms is good but 2-5ms in grey-to-grey is fine. I have played AH on a 25ms monitor and it was terrible.

[PAKFRONT]

From my own Large screen AH experience.. The bigger the screen, the more important it is..
Mine is g2g 4ms, works fine.. But I have seen the game played on an older slow TV/Monitor.. Ugh!
LOL, don't bother with that, it was terrible.. Everything looked like old 6Million Dollar Man bionic effects..
Like strobing multi ghost images, and it got progressively worse with time.. TIR made it even worse yet..
Stay with as low MS as you can, safe bet..

[Tigger29]

Nothing you will ever notice. Most manufacturers fudge this number anyway. Originally monitor response time was a measure of a black pixel to color white and then back to black. Lately companies have taken to measuring grey-to-grey instead. Most monitors today have an actual black-white-black response rate of 8-16ms and grey-to-grey of 2-5ms. I think anything better than a black-white-black of 12ms is good but 2-5ms in grey-to-grey is fine. I have played AH on a 25ms monitor and it was terrible.

This advice is right on the money!  Since there are no standards for measuring response times many manufacturers take advantage of this to make their monitors' specs look better than they really are.  Simply put, a good quality 5ms monitor may actually have a better response time than a poor quality 2ms monitor!  And since no standards are in place there really is no way to tell based on what they say!

With that being said a b-w-b response of 2ms is obviously better than a b-w-b response of 5ms BUT not many people would be able to tell much of a difference anyhow.  Personally I think 8ms is the true point where people start to notice but of course some people are more sensitive to this than others.  Also if you were to purchase the 5ms monitor only to find out it has a true b-w-b response of say.. 15ms... then you might be very disappointed.

The best advice I can give is to make notes of the monitors you're thinking of buying and try to find them at a local store where you can first hand see the picture and make your decision based on that and not what the specifications say.  Sometimes it can be difficult to buy a monitor you're happy with online.  And RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH.. especially when it comes to reviews.  Don't believe every one star review you read, but don't believe every five star one either.

[Wiley]

So... the higher response times cause something similar to the kind of effects you used to get on ancient laptop screens and the original GameBoy, right?  Where stuff is drawn, then noticably fades away as new stuff is drawn?

Wiley.

[YamaRaja]

I bought a Hanns G 27in that was rated at 2ms. It had bleeding problems with tags, the beach, the moon etc.
Then I got a 27in Samsung from Costco, better but still some issues.
Finally I bought Samsung S27A750D 120hz 27in with 2ms (gtg I know, TN not IPS but the best TN panel out there)
The difference is night and day. The game looks incredible on it.
It also does 3d although that's not why I got it so I haven't really messed with it much.
The only issue is it requires an ATI 5000 series or higher with a display port for 120hz.
It only has HDMI and display port connections.

I read once long ago when I started overclocking to go out and buy the best monitor you could afford before you buy anything else. Somehow I forgot that, being an eye candy guy I'm not sure how.
This monitor has changed my computing experience 100%

Find a 120hz monitor you like and you wont be disappointed. Or wait for OLED, but thats a different matter, and big $$$.


Yama

[caldera]

I heard that HannsG changed their monitors recently and the quality went downhill.  Got one of their 27.5" monitors (2ms) about 2.5 years ago and it has been flawless. 

[Tigger29]

I heard that HannsG changed their monitors recently and the quality went downhill.  Got one of their 27.5" monitors (2ms) about 2.5 years ago and it has been flawless. 

I used to have a 19" HannsG square LCD monitor.. one of the first ones they made.  It worked great for a number of years!  My ex-wife stole it when she left me though but I wouldn't be surprised if she was still using it today!

I currently use an HP w2408 monitor.  I didn't choose it rather it came in an $8 random deal I bought from woot once (along with a golf bag and a spongebob puzzle) so I can't complain one bit.  Even though it is obviously used it still works great!  I've had it about two years now!

I just hope that it works long enough for OLED prices to come down enough for me to buy one of those.

[BaldEagl]

I bought a 19" Viewsonic LCD early on.  It must have had about an 8ms response time.  I brought it home, hooked it up and the ghosting was so bad I returned it and exchanged it for a 19" Viewsonic CRT which I used for years.  Now I have a 22" LG 2ms response and it's absolutely beutiful.

[zack1234]

My ex wife ran off with my TV it was a month old.

Television Licence man (UK Government) came round saying i needed a license to have a TV and demanded entry to seize said TV.

I let him in and showed him the ariel socket and TV stand minus TV, he made a sharp exit and i went round to my fathers house and watched "The Price is Right"

I have a samsung TV/monitor using DVI because HDMI mades image too sharp (I know people say HDMI is DVI with sound but from experieince its not)

In regards to Frame Rates i have come to the conclusion its not higher the number but quality of image and lag.

Can i have both HDMI and DVI plugged in and use HDMI to watch TV and non game applications?

[Tigger29]

I bought a 19" Viewsonic LCD early on.  It must have had about an 8ms response time.  I brought it home, hooked it up and the ghosting was so bad I returned it and exchanged it for a 19" Viewsonic CRT which I used for years.  Now I have a 22" LG 2ms response and it's absolutely beutiful.

HAH!  I remember that!  You absolutely REFUSED to upgrade to LCD for a number of years because of that one bad experience!  You sure are stubborn aren't you!  HAH!  You have to admit though that LCD technology has come a long long way since its early days.  I too had some blurring with my old HANNS-G monitor but the sharpness and clarity of it more than made it worth it.  Mostly I had issues being fully zoomed in with a GV and scanning from left to right.  Of course you can't even zoom in like that anymore.

Just wait until OLED monitors become cheaper and more mainstream.  It will make LCD's look like 50's B&W sets!

I have a samsung TV/monitor using DVI because HDMI mades image too sharp (I know people say HDMI is DVI with sound but from experieince its not)

Yes it is true that DVI and HDMI carry the same exact video information and this can be verified by looking at a DVI to HDMI adapter.  The only thing the adapter does is move the wires around.  There are no electronics or processors into the adapter to change the signal.

The reason you probably noticed a difference in picture quality is because some televisions and monitors will do a different kind of processing to the image depending on what input is being used.  For HDMI it might process the image to appear better from a distance whereas for DVI it might process the image to look better from up close.  Basically it's a matter of the TV thinking that it is smarter than us and this often makes things way more complicated than it has to be.

Sometimes you can go into the menu options for the TV/monitor and adjust how this is done (look for something called gaming mode or computer mode) but not all models have this ability.