Perks Worthy

[Ruah]

if anything, I am of th opinion that the spit 14 should be 5 eny or rather that perks should only be used on those planes that are clearly imba.  With a 5 eny you have to shoot down a lot of planes to make it worth while.

[titanic3]

is that overrall rank or fighter rank?

One for each (FTR, BMB, GVs) would be the best, but that means more work for HTC if they were to put it in.

And Butcher, If my ELO idea actually gets used, everyone will be back to square one. I'm sure the community can vote on whether or not we should lose our perks (though I'm sure most if not all won't mind).

As for raising the ENY cap to 60.0, I don't think that's needed. The perks you get for shooting a 5.0 ENY plane down with a 40.0 is already a lot, raising it to 60.0 would mean you'd get ridiculous amounts of perks for just one or two kills. If my ELO idea gets used, not only will the vets be encouraged to fly the more challenging planes, the newbies will have constant access to the more "uber" rides, giving them the best opportunity to learn the basics without fear of getting destroyed by a veteran in the same "uber" ride.

Long story short: High ELO players will be encouraged to fly the more challenging planes. Low ELO players will be able to learn the basics without fear of getting ripped to shreds by a higher ELO vet. As it is right now, you can't tell whether or not a Spit16 is a vet or a newbie. With the ELO system, there's a more likely chance that it is a newbie and there's a higher chance that 109E or P40C is a pro.

[save]

if the la7 isnt worth perking , then we can have 'em all prop planes free including 450mph b29s in set of 3-9  and tempies with automatic wingman.

[Tank-Ace]

Butcher, I would agree with you there. But I also think that if the ENY range were changed to 60, it would be a good oportunity to change it so that it kicks in gently at first, but then if you really get a big numbers advantage it beats you over the head with the ENY-restrictions bat.


Titanic, I don't think that limiting the good players is such a good idea. Often times, the only good aircraft of a certian type are low ENY. For example, if I can only fly ENY 25+ aircraft, I can't really do a good jabo run. Only planes I can fly that carry more than 500kg of ord are the P-38G (I physicly can't fly P-38's for some reason), the Mossie, and the 190F8.


Why shouldn't I be able to take out a P-47 D-25 if I want to? Its what the $15/mo fee is for,  right?

[coombz]

as a dweeb i would nevertheless like the spit16, la7 and p51d to be perked (i know it won't happen, but i'd definitely be in favour)

instead of the k4 i would say perk the dora though

[Debrody]

as a dweeb i would nevertheless like the spit16, la7 and p51d to be perked (i know it won't happen, but i'd definitely be in favour)

instead of the k4 i would say perk the dora though

Wow somewhere i can understand Coombzy!
Still, theres the timidness problem. Arent most of the dora dudes already timid enough? : (
Decreasing its eny, yes, to 10 (if the pony is 5, it should be one level behind the pony). Perking it?  Nope, ty.

[Tom5572]

What about guys who have a 11 to 1 k/d in high eny rides, how would they figure in?

Keep the 51, spit 16, and la 7 unperked. It does gives the new player a chance at success. I know I needed the spit 16 when I was starting out, even so it was still frustrating.

[titanic3]

TankAce, you can still fly whatever plane you wish if you're the type of person that doesn't care about score, you just have to pay little extra. And with all respect, who knows? You or I may not be in the top 1600+ ELO at all.

[PFactorDave]

What about guys who have a 11 to 1 k/d in high eny rides, how would they figure in?

Keep the 51, spit 16, and la 7 unperked. It does gives the new player a chance at success. I know I needed the spit 16 when I was starting out, even so it was still frustrating.

It wouldn't affect them.  They would still have access to their high ENY rides.  That said, I would expect planes like the 190D and 109k4 to be shifted lower on the ENY scale. 

[Lusche]

ELO?

ELO and similar type rankings come from totally different games: Two players meet and face each other on (almost) same terms, playing under very strict rules. A chess player won't suddenly be joined by 4 of his friends bringing their of playing pieces with them to thrash the suddenly outnumbered opponent.
The MA environment is too complex, and the set of 'rules' is way too slack for such a thing (actually, beyond some very basic 'play nice, folks' rules, everyone is flying by his own rules there.). That's why score is rather meaningless and (fortunately) does not play any role in the game beyond commanding a CV task group. And I don't think it's a good idea to increase the importance of score beyond that point.

I can only see such an 'ELO' system going to work in a supervised and heavily ruled duelling setting.


I repeat myself - wanna see 'top players' using more high ENY planes? Make ENY part of the score calculation

[RTHolmes]

I could see ENY being factored into damage points without too much trouble, would you extend it to kills and deaths too?

[Tank-Ace]

as a dweeb i would nevertheless like the spit16, la7 and p51d to be perked (i know it won't happen, but i'd definitely be in favour)

instead of the k4 i would say perk the dora though

Why? Takes a pretty skilled pilot to fly the dora succesfully. You need to have good SA, be good at deflection shooting, and know when to egress to build some alt. Most only have the third down.

TankAce, you can still fly whatever plane you wish if you're the type of person that doesn't care about score, you just have to pay little extra. And with all respect, who knows? You or I may not be in the top 1600+ ELO at all.

You miss the point though. We would have to instigate attack perks as a seperate category, and have the perk price of planes adjust based on whether you're in attack mode or fighter mode, otherwise you're screwing over the good players. And that would be abused as well. Just hit attack and load up some rocekts, and you've got a free fighter that would otherwise be perked.

[Shuffler]

ENY rarely if ever affects the plane of choice for me.

Fly a plane on down the list and you wont have to be bothered by ENY.

[Lusche]

I could see ENY being factored into damage points without too much trouble, would you extend it to kills and deaths too?

No, never. A kill is a kill.

[RTHolmes]