Author Topic: Close-range tank shells  (Read 1764 times)

Offline Hoffman

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2012, 11:33:55 PM »
I landed 34 hits on a TigerII from my tiger and watched someone else put a bunch more into him.

I got tired of waiting so I flanked him, parked nearby hidden, left keyboard and earned the kill AFK.


How far away were you?

At 2.5K or more the 8.8 on a Tiger 1 won't penetrate the frontal armor of a Panther, much less a Tiger 2.  Well okay, if you hit the Panther just right you might do it. Maybe...

Today I sat and took round after round after round from 76 gun Shermans, 17 lb. Shermans, and M18's @ a range of 1,200 meters in my Tiger 2.  Scratched the paint a little, but I pretty much 1-shot all 17 of the uppers.  Not once did I fire first on any of those vehicles, and almost all of them hit me before I even saw them.


I spend... 80% of my AH time in GV's.  In... 5 or so years of playing Aces High I don't think I've had any magic tank rounds go through a target without a hit sprite.  I've had AP rounds go through  vehicles without doing any damage, usually M3's, though.  But that is a lightly armored vehicle and if you don't hit anything vital I expect a high velocity round to simply pass right through.

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 11:56:22 PM »
I've recorded some film since starting this thread.  I'll film some more sorties over the weekend then review from various angles and film speeds.   

If anyone else has film of this happening feel free to post.

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2012, 01:24:51 AM »
Well hows this to stir the pot. Just playing I shot a guy with an AP round from a Panzer H into the underside of his Panzer H and he did not die. I know this doesn't go with directly with the passing through of shots or maybe it does but its still clearly bullcrap
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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2012, 09:53:00 AM »
I refuse to up Tiger II's.  Every time I've upped one, I've been one shotted in the frontal armor by an M4 at 2000+ yards, ridiculous.  Tiger I's and Panthers work best for me, they actually deflect some rounds.

As for the argument that it's a ricochet, I'd like to point out that I'm well aware and can tell the difference...  Once you see the shell bounce off at a different angle.  The bug that is being discussed is when you hit a tanks square, get no hit sprite, no ricochet, and the round simply passes right through it.  For me, I can see the puff of dirt coming up behind my target in these instances that lets me know exactly where the round hit... and I'll normally review it from multiple angles in video when I get really urked about it.

Poster earlier hit the nail on the head in referencing the fact that there are two separate objects for the turret and superstructure of the tank.  You can see this in how they cast shadows.  It seems to me that there's an area where the overlap isn't correct on the objects and it allows rounds to pass harmlessly through air, where there should be tank.
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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2012, 12:40:45 PM »
If you have a film of you shooting, that you reviewed , and think there is a problem, send it to us.

The film contains data that we can either find a bug, or describe to you the exact dynamics of what happen.

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 12:52:40 PM »
i notided this too, it seems the boundary between different armor hardness on tanks at close range is also expanded to a point where the width of the boundary equals the diameter of hte shell and passes right through the boundary area. My solution and it seems to work is use your coaxe gun until you get nice bright hits, then pull the other trigger, so far i have gotten kills. 

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2012, 06:06:11 PM »
If you have a film of you shooting, that you reviewed , and think there is a problem, send it to us.

The film contains data that we can either find a bug, or describe to you the exact dynamics of what happen.

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2012, 06:49:02 PM »
If you have a film of you shooting, that you reviewed , and think there is a problem, send it to us.

The film contains data that we can either find a bug, or describe to you the exact dynamics of what happen.

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Will do. I have lots of them and add to the collection everyday.

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2012, 09:54:10 PM »
If you have a film of you shooting, that you reviewed , and think there is a problem, send it to us.

The film contains data that we can either find a bug, or describe to you the exact dynamics of what happen.

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Silly question, but to what address?  This happened to me last night, and I filmed it. 
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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2012, 11:22:36 PM »
Silly question, but to what address?  This happened to me last night, and I filmed it. 

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2012, 01:51:16 PM »
Silly question, but to what address?  This happened to me last night, and I filmed it. 

Did you review the film?

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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2012, 02:24:27 PM »
Did you review the film?

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I just did.  It shows one round bouncing off and the other not registering at all.  I sent the film to you guys.

The shots were fired very close, probably 100 feet away.  Would an AP round from a Flakpanzer bounce of the right-front of a T34 at that range?
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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2012, 05:26:33 PM »
Round do go through the gv's.. I've seen many, many times watching a countryman shoot/get shot where the round goes through his or his target's gv and hits behind it.. sometimes he dies.. sometimes just accumulates damage.. As far as I know they all count as hits, but  the round does not stop at the object.. Once I was parked close behind a friendly T34 in a M3, and 1 shot killed us both.
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Re: Close-range tank shells
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2012, 05:45:33 PM »
Today at the famous 135 spawn I saw a round come right through my field of vision as I was in the #2 position as an orange streak.  I heard the round impact behind me. The very next round I took killed me.  The previous round seemed to have the appearance of passing through me with no damage.  I did not have film rolling, the next time im there I will and see if it happens again.
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