PERK THE LANCASTERS (in MWA)

[EVZ]

There is a famous story being featured on PBS about Lancs making extreme "low level" dam busting attacks~ incidentally 8 of the 19 did not make it back~ downed by ack and enemy fighters.

Right !!! a specially trained unit - of hand picked pilots - in heavily modified and strengthened aircraft ... A daring raid (may 17) ... what did it accomplish - "The end result was a loss of electrical power in the factories and many households in the region for two weeks."  - "By 27 June, full water output was restored, and the electricity grid was again producing power at full capacity. - in fact no more than a minor inconvenience to the Ruhr's industrial output"

What did it cost? - 1,579 bodies were found along the Möhne and Ruhr rivers, with hundreds missing. 1,026 of the bodies found downriver of the Möhne Dam were foreign prisoners of war and forced-labourers in different camps, mainly from the Soviet Union. Worst hit was the city of Neheim (now part of Neheim-Hüsten) at the confluence of the Möhne and Ruhr rivers, where over 800 people perished, among them at least 493 female forced-labourers from the Soviet Union.

Ooooops!

~ look at the statistics.

Unfortunately? The statistics do not show how many MISSIONS are flown by the type, just the Kill/Death ratio which is roughly comparable to B-17s and B-24s. Being the Most Killed Bomber is to be expected when it's the most often USED Bomber ... I saw two B-17 formations today, probably 20 or 25 lanc formations, Can't remember the last time I saw anybody fly B-24s.

[talos]

You are new to the game, that is why you feel so victimized as demonstrated by all your posts. We all are when we start out and running endless m3s for your CO on late night milkruns will not make you a better player.

Slowly creeping up on the 6 of a box of lancs, even in your p-38 as you have experienced will get you killled in a hail of .303s every time, no matter what silly rank you or anyone else has in MW. 

Learn how to play better and you won't have to keep making chicken little posts like this about how to make MW safer for you in your fragile little m16. Put out supplies and learn how to shoot a more durable vehicle: an osti or a wirb and the low lancs will be history. There is a famous story being featured on PBS about Lancs making extreme "low level" dam busting attacks~ incidentally 8 of the 19 did not make it back~ downed by ack and enemy fighters. Soon there will be two additional 88 guns defending v-bases, ports and airfieds as well.

Lancs are very vulnerable to anyone who uses a little technique to dispatch them and they are the most destroyed aircraft in every arena~ look at the statistics. They do not need to be perked, and furthermore they are unavailable when eny goes up.

One day you will be thrilled for the easy kills when low lancs come rolling though on the horizon.

 
there is no reason to try and insult the guy. EV has more then proven that he does know what hes talking about, at  least half time.  He is trying to bring a good point to light. A heavy bomber that can dive bomb and not rip its wings off, or White flag a town by itself should be perked

btw there are only two planes (that i know off) in this game that WF a town with one formation, and one of them could probably WF with one plane

[DMVIAGRA]

What's better than a Lancstuka? A set of real Stukas  Stuka hords

[grumpy37]

You cant really listen to Seadog, he is the leader of the pack when it comes to bringing 4 sets of lancs to a base that the country only has 2 players on the be able to defend. 

The fact the lancs carry so much ord is the main reason i back perking it, even just 10 per plane, or lower the ENY.  Or even better do both.  Having to bring a set of b17's or 24's that carry less ord per plane lowers the chance of total destruction of a base in one or 2 passes and gives the defenders a chance to defend.  You cant drop all the hangers at a vbase, deack it AND have bombs left to bomb gv's out in any other set of bombers but Lancs. 

The lanc is MW's version of the B29 in LW, minus the 50 cals so it should be perked and ENY'd as such.

[SlipKnt]

No offense...

Again...   ...more discussion about MW and side numbers (balanced vs. unbalanced) vs. perking rides there...

Last few times I logged into MW, I saw even sided numbers.  I know I had 4 guys that went Rook to side balance yesterday morning.  Looked pretty even to me.

Many Lancs coming, accept the fact that the base is probably going away from you.  Up a cannon plane and take as many down that you can and fly away...

MW is just fine.  Want balance and perked rides?  Come to LW.  It is a ton of fun and lots of good people in there.


-1 on perking the Lanc in MW.

[grumpy37]

It has been balanced more often in the last few weeks but there are still many times when its so lop sided not much can be done. 


I agree with the perking of lancs even if numbers are even but thats just my opinion.  Would give me something to use my 19481934 bomber perks on since i dont go to LW...  LOL   I think it would push guys into using some of the other bombers that are available more often.

[EVZ]

more discussion about MW and side numbers (balanced vs. unbalanced) vs. perking rides there...

No ... why do you prefer to talk about THAT than the aircraft or what's being done with it, specifically in the MWA? It's not an issue based on being out numbered. And it's not based on any particular sides tactics ... All 3 sides use the plane (almost exclusively) when taking bases ... It does the BEST JOB with the fewest bodys committed to the task. The planes modeling is abused by most experienced pilots who know WHAT can be done with it and HOW to do it ... regardless of which side they are on. It overshadows ALL the other bomber selections in MWA by a HUGE margin. It's abuse is also one of the most often heard complaints from MWA players, especially the RAW NOOBS who usually begin with "That Plane can't do THAT." (but it does). The statistics show it's almost exactly the same as the B-17 and B-24 in the Kill/Death Ratio ... That IS NOT CONSISTANT with statements that it's an EASY KILL or the reality of the planes history. There's plenty to talk about here besides Who out numbers who ... There's no reason to divert attention from these facts. (is there?).

Many Lancs coming, accept the fact that the base is probably going away from you.  Up a cannon plane and take as many down that you can and fly away...

Or Just Log Off, go play some OTHER GAME and let you have another undefended base ... Expect to Lose and there's little chance you will do anything else ... WHY waste time fighting when you already KNOW you've LOST ??? (some folks seem to LIKE IT that way. How about you?)

[AKP]

Perking the lancaster because of the way people use it isnt solving a problem...  It's merely treating a symptom.  It gets used the same way in LW. 

Perhaps it isnt modeled correctly.  It is an older plane in the AH arsenal and is in need of an update anyway.  Perhaps it really can fly like that (doubtful)... and there just was never a reason for it to do so.  Who knows.  Im really not a fan of the Lancaster because it's defenses suck.  Yes... they are easy to shoot down.  Problem is, most people dont know how to attack bombers and live through it.   Anyone who knows how and where to hit lancs can knock down all 3... in just 3 passes... sometimes less.

Perking it will make it a hangar queen, and restrict its use to people who have more perks than they know what to do with. 

But... I am pretty much to the point I dont care what happens in MW any longer.  The constant whining and complaining while I am in there isnt worth hearing. 

Shuffler may be right.  MW is dying... and now I am starting to think that a lot of it is due to the elitist attitude of some of the people that gather there... on all sides. 

Have fun in MW... my visits there will be few and far between.

[flatiron1]

It will not effect my use of Lancaster but I still vote no.

[grumpy37]

would you say someone that points out the gamey tactics of others an "elitist" attitude?  If so then I am totally coming off the wrong way and maybe need to figure out a way to  explain my point of view. 

Even when used in a manor that isnt considered "Gamey" by most the Lanc with its current ENY and lack of Perk in MW still unbalances the arena due to its weird population of players  (lack of is what im getting at) 

[SlipKnt]

@ EVZ - I hear what you are saying but I disagree with you.  If you know how to attack bombers, Lancs are among the easiest to shoot down.  

I am not the one that brought up the side numbers.  I believe you did earlier while making an example.  I am absolutely not referring to other threads I have seen on that issue.  

My point is this...   ...I vote NO for perking Lancs in MW.  I have flown in MW enough to have an opinion, Bro.  Like I said, no offense.  

I am not knocking your "wish".  Just explaining that MW has much to offer.  If you get overwhelmed by lancs, up and shoot as many down as you can.  

I attack bases.  If they are undefended, it isn't my fault.  It is the fault of the country that decided not to up.  Before you say anything about nobody being on that country, I am referring to LW.  I primarily fly LW.  An example is last night, 3 of us took a base that was originally undefended, then it got crazy.  Still 3 of us and we eventually took the base.  Nobody in my squad is afraid of a fight.  We encourage a fight, which is why we have been side switching in MW to try to help balance things out a bit.  In the end, we will fly on whatever country we feel like flying on and in MW, we will fly Lancs, B17s, B26s, B24s, etc... among many other aircraft.   We have plenty of points to pretty much fly any perked plane we want.  

As far as MW, the sides change suddenly.  It gets pretty boring in there more often than not, but when it is busy, it is a great place to be.   I just simply don't think there is a reason to perk a lanc in MW.  Simple as that.

I agree that people fly them in ways that are not historically correct, but then again, it is just gamey (gaming the game).  I have seen a guy that can somehow drop all 4 hangers on a V base and kill 3 or 4 wirbles and a tank or two and still land all while going low and slow.  I have no valid answer for that person's performance.  However, it is what it is and I try to shoot them down as often as possible.

If you want realism, seriously consider flying FSO and AvA.  Bombers are used as intended and get chewed up often.

But perking lancs in MW?  I have to respectfully disagree...

[SlipKnt]

would you say someone that points out the gamey tactics of others an "elitist" attitude?  If so then I am totally coming off the wrong way and maybe need to figure out a way to  explain my point of view. 

Even when used in a manor that isnt considered "Gamey" by most the Lanc with its current ENY and lack of Perk in MW still unbalances the arena due to its weird population of players  (lack of is what im getting at) 

Grumpy has a good point.  Up the ENY on the Lanc...  That may be the answer...  Seriouisly.  I agree with upping the ENY.

[grumpy37]

I personally think it should be around 5 - 7.

[SlipKnt]

I personally think it should be around 5 - 7.

+1

 

[Ack-Ack]

You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak.

Just because the "top ranked pilots" were shot down attacking a single Lancaster formation doesn't mean the Lancaster is perk worthy, it just means those "top ranked pilots" aren't as good as they think they are.

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