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Offline MachFly

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Re: G550 lvl D sim flight!
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2012, 07:02:16 PM »
Mach- Yeah, no logging just play. And I flew 2 from the left seat, then served as FO for another one.

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Re: G550 lvl D sim flight!
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2012, 08:31:12 PM »
You can still log total flight time, as you said that counts. I don't think I said anything wrong.

I didn't say you can log it (legally). You can log whatever you want, it's your book. You're the one who has to justify it in an interview.

It's not flight time. You get credit for that experience toward I believe an instrument rating provided you're receiving instruction that isn't logged flight time. You also can use the credit from a simulator initial type rating course toward total time requirements of an ATP for instance. It's still not flight time but you can use that toward the certificate you're applying for.

Litmus test:

How much fuel did you burn during your simulator session. If 0, no flight time.

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Re: G550 lvl D sim flight!
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2012, 09:04:05 PM »
I didn't say you can log it (legally). You can log whatever you want, it's your book. You're the one who has to justify it in an interview.

It's not flight time. You get credit for that experience toward I believe an instrument rating provided you're receiving instruction that isn't logged flight time. You also can use the credit from a simulator initial type rating course toward total time requirements of an ATP for instance. It's still not flight time but you can use that toward the certificate you're applying for.

Litmus test:

How much fuel did you burn during your simulator session. If 0, no flight time.


You know that column in your logbook (usually on the far right) that is labeled "total duration of flight" or "total flight time" or something like that, you can put it in that column. Also it counts towards your total number of hours, sure it has it's limitations as you described but when you write your total number of hours the class D sim time is included.
Maybe I am wrong about it though, I never used a civilian class D sim so I did not have to comply by the FAR, in the USAF's class D sims we logged multi, day/night, simulated IFR (if appropriate), ground trainer, and total duration of flight.

I don't agree with the Litmus test, when you loose an engine on a single engine aircraft you can still log flight time while you glide, when you fly a glider you can still log flight time yet your not using any fuel.
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Re: G550 lvl D sim flight!
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2012, 09:36:47 PM »
Well yeah, time spent in an aircraft for the purpose of flight is flight time. That's not in dispute. You're contending time spent in an air conditioned box with a projector screen is flight time. Apples and Ostriches.

I tell you what, I'll believe you of you can cite a source that shows simply spending time in a simulator equals flight time. An interviewer is going to ask you to do it eventually, we'll get it out of the way.

There are certain circumstances you can apply those hours toward the experience required for certificates and ratings. Their wholesale use to the total flight time column I dispute.  It's your logbook, put whatever you want in it. It's not unreasonable to ask someone to prove it. So...


Prove it.

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Re: G550 lvl D sim flight!
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 04:08:35 AM »
Well yeah, time spent in an aircraft for the purpose of flight is flight time. That's not in dispute. You're contending time spent in an air conditioned box with a projector screen is flight time. Apples and Ostriches.

I tell you what, I'll believe you of you can cite a source that shows simply spending time in a simulator equals flight time. An interviewer is going to ask you to do it eventually, we'll get it out of the way.

There are certain circumstances you can apply those hours toward the experience required for certificates and ratings. Their wholesale use to the total flight time column I dispute.  It's your logbook, put whatever you want in it. It's not unreasonable to ask someone to prove it. So...


Prove it.

Your right. The FAA does not let you log sims as total flight time.
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Re: G550 lvl D sim flight!
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 07:28:56 PM »
You can still log total flight time, as you said that counts. I don't think I said anything wrong.
Sim time can be used up to a given amount for each rating (except private, at least we couldnt sim any private), but you dont log it as pic time or actual flight time as far as im aware. It goes under flight sim time in your logbook.  

lol nvm... never saw page two...
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