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Re: RAIN!!!
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 10:17:34 AM »
So which is it Skippy? Does natural climate change take forever, or are we heating up at an amazingly rapid and frightful pace?
i think youre missing it... it does take forever but within the last 50 years the global mean temperature has risen drastically compared to any temperatures before. or do you just skim things i say and take them out of context?
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Re: RAIN!!!
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2012, 10:32:22 AM »
That leaves man-made warming as the only possible option.


You can't prove this.

i think youre missing it... it does take forever but within the last 50 years the global mean temperature has risen drastically compared to any temperatures before. or do you just skim things i say and take them out of context?

When you learn to make a cognitive argument, I'll quit busting your chops.
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Re: RAIN!!!
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2012, 10:34:05 AM »
haha, you guys think rain is bad, come up north and try snow!!
theres snow up here  :O longest I've seen snow on the ground (minus snow banks) is maybe 2 days IF I was lucky...except for halloween weekend....
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Re: RAIN!!!
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2012, 10:36:39 AM »
When you learn to make a cognitive argument, I'll quit busting your chops.
but i have you just took it out of context :aok
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Re: RAIN!!!
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2012, 11:51:18 AM »
A couple years ago when I was taking some college courses I wrote this essay for English. It's short and covers a few basics of global warming and natural climate change. While I agree the climate is changing I don't believe it's man-made global warming. I can't find my source page for this essay right now but I will keep looking through all of my stuff and see if it turns up.




                                                                                                                       Global Warming

     Are humans causing our planet to warm? Or could it be that the earth is going through a natural cycle? Most scientists seem to believe humans are. But frozen palm trees have been

observed falling out of melting glaciers in Alaska. Tests done on these glacial trees have shown that they are around 50,000 years old. So Alaska must have had a tropical climate at that time.

Other studies have shown that the earth's temperature has fluctuated greatly in the past. So if humans aren't causing global warming, what is causing the earth to warm? There are several

theories that explain this warming that show that humans are not the source of global warming.
    
     One of these theories says the earth has natural cycles that cause an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as the cycle continues the atmospheric carbon dioxide will decrease.

Water vapor in the air contains carbon dioxide. As the air warms, the vapor releases the carbon dioxide stored inside it. This causes the temperature to continue to warm.
    
     This process is controlled by the Artic Ocean. It acts as a temperature regulator for the globe. When the Artic Ocean is frozen over, there is no water available for evaporation and

therefore very small amounts of snow fall to replenish the Artic ice cap. The ice cap continues to melt off until the process is reversed. But what is it that can reverse this process?
    
     As the ice cap melts it will begin to expose large areas of open, ice free ocean. Water will begin to evaporate into the air and more and more snow will form. When snow falls onto the ice

cap it begins to expand and cover a much larger area. The air around the ice cap will begin to cool, and absorb the carbon dioxide it released into the air when it was warming. The air will

continue to cool until the Artic Ocean is once again covered in ice and no evaporation can occur, and the whole process will start again. It takes about 100,000 years to complete the cycle.

Scientists believe we are only ten to twenty years from the peak of the cycle and the earth will start to cool back down.
    
     During the time between 950 and 1100 AD the earth experienced a very warm period called the Medieval Warm Period. The oceans around Greenland and Iceland were relatively free of ice,

and the Vikings were easily able to sail to them and colonize these areas. During this time Greenland, Iceland, and most of Europe thrived. But within 150 years the climate would change

dramatically.
    
     The years between 1250 and 1850 were known as The Little Ice Age. Temperatures during this time were much cooler than the years before. The passages used by the Vikings were blocked

by ice for much of this time. Winter lasted much longer and the growing season was much shorter. The winter ice cap lasted up to 3 weeks longer in the spring and the glaciers in the Alpine

Mountains grew much larger. The Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period both occurred hundreds of years before people began to contribute to the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the air.

These two events in climate history demonstrate the way earth naturally goes through cycles of warm and cold temperatures.
    
     Global warming is often blamed on humans and the amount of greenhouse gases we create. Some say that 100% of global warming is caused by people. Even though our greenhouse gas

emissions have increased greatly over the last 125 years, we do not create enough to disrupt earth's natural cycles. For example, about 90 billion tons of carbon dioxide annually circulates between

the oceans and the atmosphere. Another 60 billion tons are annually exchanged between plants and the atmosphere. Humans account for only 5 - 6 billion tons each year. Compared to the 150

billion tons naturally circulated by the earth, humans are responsibly for less than 5% of the total amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. At only 5% of total carbon dioxide production, humans

contribute very little to global warming.
    
    Some scientists would like us to believe that humans are solely responsible for our warming climate. They tell us we should 'go green' and 'save the environment.'  But in reality this is just part

of earth's natural cycle. Contrary to what most people are led to believe, humans account for a very small amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We hear every day how we are destroying

our planet. Millions of dollars are spent every year to research ways to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions when in fact the earth is going through natural cycles. We, as humans, need to step

back and admire the earth and it's amazing climate so perfectly fit for us.
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Re: RAIN!!!
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 05:40:01 PM »
I think its just TExas Drivers in General...

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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2012, 05:45:14 PM »
Look at history.  Just because humans dont have the capacity to understand time and how long these climate cycles take.  Man may not be helping it, but there is nothing man can do to stop it.

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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2012, 08:30:46 PM »
A couple years ago when I was taking some college courses I wrote this essay for English. It's short and covers a few basics of global warming and natural climate change. While I agree the climate is changing I don't believe it's man-made global warming. I can't find my source page for this essay right now but I will keep looking through all of my stuff and see if it turns up.




                                                                                                                       Global Warming

     Are humans causing our planet to warm? Or could it be that the earth is going through a natural cycle? Most scientists seem to believe humans are. But frozen palm trees have been

observed falling out of melting glaciers in Alaska. Tests done on these glacial trees have shown that they are around 50,000 years old. So Alaska must have had a tropical climate at that time.

Other studies have shown that the earth's temperature has fluctuated greatly in the past. So if humans aren't causing global warming, what is causing the earth to warm? There are several

theories that explain this warming that show that humans are not the source of global warming.
    
     One of these theories says the earth has natural cycles that cause an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as the cycle continues the atmospheric carbon dioxide will decrease.

Water vapor in the air contains carbon dioxide. As the air warms, the vapor releases the carbon dioxide stored inside it. This causes the temperature to continue to warm.
    
     This process is controlled by the Artic Ocean. It acts as a temperature regulator for the globe. When the Artic Ocean is frozen over, there is no water available for evaporation and

therefore very small amounts of snow fall to replenish the Artic ice cap. The ice cap continues to melt off until the process is reversed. But what is it that can reverse this process?
    
     As the ice cap melts it will begin to expose large areas of open, ice free ocean. Water will begin to evaporate into the air and more and more snow will form. When snow falls onto the ice

cap it begins to expand and cover a much larger area. The air around the ice cap will begin to cool, and absorb the carbon dioxide it released into the air when it was warming. The air will

continue to cool until the Artic Ocean is once again covered in ice and no evaporation can occur, and the whole process will start again. It takes about 100,000 years to complete the cycle.

Scientists believe we are only ten to twenty years from the peak of the cycle and the earth will start to cool back down.
    
     During the time between 950 and 1100 AD the earth experienced a very warm period called the Medieval Warm Period. The oceans around Greenland and Iceland were relatively free of ice,

and the Vikings were easily able to sail to them and colonize these areas. During this time Greenland, Iceland, and most of Europe thrived. But within 150 years the climate would change

dramatically.
    
     The years between 1250 and 1850 were known as The Little Ice Age. Temperatures during this time were much cooler than the years before. The passages used by the Vikings were blocked

by ice for much of this time. Winter lasted much longer and the growing season was much shorter. The winter ice cap lasted up to 3 weeks longer in the spring and the glaciers in the Alpine

Mountains grew much larger. The Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period both occurred hundreds of years before people began to contribute to the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the air.

These two events in climate history demonstrate the way earth naturally goes through cycles of warm and cold temperatures.
    
     Global warming is often blamed on humans and the amount of greenhouse gases we create. Some say that 100% of global warming is caused by people. Even though our greenhouse gas

emissions have increased greatly over the last 125 years, we do not create enough to disrupt earth's natural cycles. For example, about 90 billion tons of carbon dioxide annually circulates between

the oceans and the atmosphere. Another 60 billion tons are annually exchanged between plants and the atmosphere. Humans account for only 5 - 6 billion tons each year. Compared to the 150

billion tons naturally circulated by the earth, humans are responsibly for less than 5% of the total amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. At only 5% of total carbon dioxide production, humans

contribute very little to global warming.
    
    Some scientists would like us to believe that humans are solely responsible for our warming climate. They tell us we should 'go green' and 'save the environment.'  But in reality this is just part

of earth's natural cycle. Contrary to what most people are led to believe, humans account for a very small amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We hear every day how we are destroying

our planet. Millions of dollars are spent every year to research ways to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions when in fact the earth is going through natural cycles. We, as humans, need to step

back and admire the earth and it's amazing climate so perfectly fit for us.


My retort to that argument is that:

1.) The medieval warm period (MWP) and little Ice Age (LIA) were warmer and colder than normal, respectively, but still below the current temperature and there is sparse evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period across the globe
2.) Natural cycles happen, but far more slowly than what we are seeing today.  The temperature is rising to very high levels very quickly, as opposed to the more gradual cycle of the MWP and LIA
3.) You make a good point about balance, but you failed to address how it doesn't take much to disrupt a balance, and how the icecap got to melting in the first place.  Furthermore, you say that the total amount of CO2 naturally produced on earth is far greater than the amount that humans produce.  Let's look at it another way:

You say that 110 billion tons cycle between plants, the ocean, and the atmosphere annually.  Humans account for 6 billion tons.  Let's see that as a fraction:

6 = 3= 3.2%
110           55

3.2% is huge.  That means that more than 1 in every 35 CO2 molecules in the atmosphere are man made.  Considering that, as you said, nature is in balance, 3.2% is a massive swing in the direction of global warming (the MWP and LIA were local).  As for the 60 billion tons between plants and the atmosphere- that's fading fast as we deforest huge sections of the globe and replace it with methane emitting farmland.  The ocean can only hold so much CO2 before it becomes too acidic for life, and we are rapidly approaching that point.  So we are, then, mostly responsible for the warming.

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