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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #150 on: February 12, 2012, 02:59:44 PM »
Holy crap, it's going to fix ALL THAT?!  They should implement this tomorrow!  :rofl

People don't need more motivation to avoid fighting, which is all this idea would provide.

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What part didn't you read?  I will say there are tons of guys who avoid an engagement where they either lose their clear, initial advantage or if they miss their first two HO passes, they move on to the next unsuspecting two-weeker.  I've flown with you and against you and you are neither that I can recall.  You're argument assumes that you know what motivates people so before we can proceed, please explain how you know what motivates people.  If you cannot, please move on. 

Do us a favor, don't use the usual fight-avoidance suspects.  They have been around for years and aren't going to change anything no matter what changes in the game...you know who they are so I will stipulate that some will not fight if you will stipulate that they are simply the same old characters not worthy of mention in your explanation of how you know what motivates players in this game.  Furthermore, these same characters would NEVER lower themselves to rescue anyone so they are the outliers and shouldn't be used in what will shortly be your "I-see-these-alttards-doing-this-already-and-we-don't-need-to-give-them-another-excuse-not-to-fight argument."
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #151 on: February 12, 2012, 04:34:57 PM »
So you found out you are wrong and you change your argument. Thats a surprising turn of events.

So let me clarify your stances. First you said it was the score potatos who would abuse the rescue. When you were proved wrong, you changed it to the entire population of the game. So are you going to bail to avoid combat? Are any of the other stooges here going to bail to avoid combat? I suppose that all of the adults that have an hour or so a day or week to play this game would rather spend it sitting on the ground waiting for rescue.

NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR PERSONALITY for a rescue!

And Muffin, more people in the game care about engaging in combat than waiting for a rescue. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. Please.


I never changed my stance, i was supplementing to it to try to get logic through to your yoyo brain. You are wrong. Just stop, thanks.

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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #152 on: February 12, 2012, 04:39:32 PM »
What part didn't you read?  I will say there are tons of guys who avoid an engagement where they either lose their clear, initial advantage or if they miss their first two HO passes, they move on to the next unsuspecting two-weeker.  I've flown with you and against you and you are neither that I can recall.  You're argument assumes that you know what motivates people so before we can proceed, please explain how you know what motivates people.  If you cannot, please move on. 

Ok.  I can't define what motivates everybody.  Neither can you, yet you claim to know this idea will motivate all those people above to fight.  How does that work?

What we can do is see behavior.  What you described above is the norm, not the exception or the 'usual suspects'.  What does that mean?

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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #153 on: February 12, 2012, 06:29:17 PM »
I never changed my stance, i was supplementing to it to try to get logic through to your yoyo brain. You are wrong. Just stop, thanks.

No Muffin, I wont stop. Tell me how I am wrong. You did change your stance. And now I am giving you the opportunity to show me your logic. Where is it?

Tell me how the score weenies are going to increase their score by ruining their kills per hour stats.

Tell me why a whole population of people are going to suddenly change their addictive behaviors because of one minor game change.

As I recall, many of the ideas that came before this one were cried about just as you are doing about this one.  "if we get that tank, thats the only tank you will ever see," "if we get that plane, the sky will be full of dweebs," "blah blah blah."

Ninnys apparently never stop making predictions or start using their heads.


Ok.  I can't define what motivates everybody.  Neither can you, yet you claim to know this idea will motivate all those people above to fight.  How does that work?

What we can do is see behavior.  What you described above is the norm, not the exception or the 'usual suspects'.  What does that mean?

Wiley.


You cant define what motivates anyone and you obviously cant even "see behavior!' There is a running example of how many people have an interest in sitting and waiting for rescue (supplies) and you are too blind to see it or that it doesnt ruin the game. There is still combat because thats what everyone is here for. You can whine all you want about how others dont fight the way you want them to, but that will never change.

Every argument that you and your cronies have laid out has been unquestionably beat down. Do you have another that actually makes sense?
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #154 on: February 12, 2012, 06:40:46 PM »
I happen to like this idea.  It would be cool to have a "so and so rescued so and so, and kills are still broadcast.

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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #155 on: February 12, 2012, 06:46:37 PM »
No Muffin, I wont stop. Tell me how I am wrong. You did change your stance. And now I am giving you the opportunity to show me your logic. Where is it?

Tell me how the score weenies are going to increase their score by ruining their kills per hour stats.

Tell me why a whole population of people are going to suddenly change their addictive behaviors because of one minor game change.

As I recall, many of the ideas that came before this one were cried about just as you are doing about this one.  "if we get that tank, thats the only tank you will ever see," "if we get that plane, the sky will be full of dweebs," "blah blah blah."

Ninnys apparently never stop making predictions or start using their heads.



You cant define what motivates anyone and you obviously cant even "see behavior!' There is a running example of how many people have an interest in sitting and waiting for rescue (supplies) and you are too blind to see it or that it doesnt ruin the game. There is still combat because thats what everyone is here for. You can whine all you want about how others dont fight the way you want them to, but that will never change.

Every argument that you and your cronies have laid out has been unquestionably beat down. Do you have another that actually makes sense?


Now you are just putting words in my mouth.  Your hyperboles prove how ridiculous your counter argument has become.

In any case, this wish will never be granted because hitech does not like you and he will keep it out of the game just to spite you.  :lol

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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #156 on: February 12, 2012, 07:03:43 PM »
Ok.  I can't define what motivates everybody.  Neither can you, yet you claim to know this idea will motivate all those people above to fight.  How does that work?

What we can do is see behavior.  What you described above is the norm, not the exception or the 'usual suspects'.  What does that mean?

Wiley.

I never claimed to know what motivates people, you did.  My stance is this:  if there are things that could be coaded into the game that I believe can enhance someone's fun, then I will present or support  the idea.  Knowing "I, therefore you" is the absolute worst tactic to use when presenting an argument or trying to manage a situation, I waited to see if others liked it and they did so I supported it.

There are current, like situations in-game now that are not disputed.  The only argument against is it will put people out of the fight and that is just speculation as is the position that it won't take people out of the fight.  Since the game currently models a form of rescue, there is no precedent to support the argument against.  It's that simple. 
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #157 on: February 12, 2012, 10:09:47 PM »
I never claimed to know what motivates people, you did.  My stance is this:

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Maybe, if the altfairy, scoretard, basevulch, smashrunner, no-fight-in-um, yellow backs get the idea that MAYBE they would be rescued, they might actually come down and square dance with those of us who are going blind by squinting trying to see the outline of their planes at 31K feet AGL.  Where you might lose a guy or two getting rescued, you win 50 of these tards who will come down from their NASA sight-seeing mission to fight.  If they had enough time on their hands to get to 30K, they certainly don't mind waiting on ride back to base.

Sounds like you think it'd motivate them to use it.

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  if there are things that could be coaded into the game that I believe can enhance someone's fun, then I will present or support  the idea.  Knowing "I, therefore you" is the absolute worst tactic to use when presenting an argument or trying to manage a situation, I waited to see if others liked it and they did so I supported it.

There are current, like situations in-game now that are not disputed.  The only argument against is it will put people out of the fight and that is just speculation as is the position that it won't take people out of the fight.  Since the game currently models a form of rescue, there is no precedent to support the argument against.  It's that simple. 

A succinct summary.  I still think it's a silly thing to ask for out of all possible things to ask for, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #158 on: February 12, 2012, 11:09:09 PM »
In any case, this wish will never be granted because hitech does not like you and he will keep it out of the game just to spite you.  :lol

LOL that's the first thing you've said that's correct.


edit: which begs to question who you really are Mr 11 posts.  LOL
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #159 on: February 13, 2012, 10:28:53 AM »
I think the people who say they do not care about score...whine more about score than those who "care" about score do.   :lol
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #160 on: February 13, 2012, 11:45:40 AM »
I think the people who say they do not care about score...whine more about score than those who "care" about score do.   :lol

A fine contribution to this thread about Storch rescues.... :noid
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #161 on: February 13, 2012, 11:53:21 AM »
Kind of along the same lines, but I think it would be cool if you could refuel a ditched friendly.  Land next to friendly out in wilderness, and when you get within 5 yards, a box pops up to refuel.  Would definitely add to the fun factor and adventure factor as mentioned previously.

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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #162 on: February 13, 2012, 11:54:21 AM »
I'm certain that calling him a whiner 50 times per post isn't dickish and it's helping you make your point..ya think?


I think he just mispelled Winner. :P


Hey if a downed pilot gets picked up he has to split his kills with the storch pilot. Using this method will also see to it that better pilots were returned sooner than others.  :neener:
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #163 on: February 14, 2012, 01:32:29 AM »
A fine contribution to this thread about Storch rescues.... :noid

I think it fit right in.  the only negative anybody has said has to do with the concern about peoples scores or some variation of a score potato thing.  It is viewed as one of two thing
a)  something that will make the score guys even worse on 200
b)  something that will take precious resources away from winning the war to go pick up a score potato

sum it up?

all fairly rediculous....
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Re: Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message
« Reply #164 on: February 14, 2012, 07:15:35 AM »
I think it fit right in.  the only negative anybody has said has to do with the concern about peoples scores or some variation of a score potato thing.  It is viewed as one of two thing
a)  something that will make the score guys even worse on 200
b)  something that will take precious resources away from winning the war to go pick up a score potato

sum it up?

all fairly rediculous....

cc...read it wrong earlier
"Such is the nature of war.  By protecting others, you save yourself."

"Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered.  Those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.  Thus, the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Morihei Ueshiba