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Ok so I made another film...
« on: January 02, 2012, 03:06:27 PM »
A 1 vs 1 fight this time from a encounter today at medium altitude with a P47M. Happened to have my camera with me in the cockpit for the occasion.  :D

Ta152H vs P47M

I am not familiar with the opponent's name, do not recall encountering him before, but I would consider him above average at jockeying the 47 and very aware of what he was doing. So it was a challenge, although not as tough as Greebo in his F6F.  :D

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 05:59:31 AM »
2 quick ones...

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 11:57:23 PM »
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Way to push for the high blue vrs. the 47, Nic.

I don't think alot of folks here appreciate how you are flying that ride.  Heh...well done.

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 03:59:01 PM »

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2012, 10:38:16 PM »
A 1 vs 1 fight this time from a encounter today at medium altitude with a P47M. Happened to have my camera with me in the cockpit for the occasion.  :D

Ta152H vs P47M

I am not familiar with the opponent's name, do not recall encountering him before, but I would consider him above average at jockeying the 47 and very aware of what he was doing. So it was a challenge, although not as tough as Greebo in his F6F.  :D

 :salute

You had tracers off, and it seemed to me that you missed a lot of shots on that 47, do think you might have done a better job adjusting you shots with tracers on?  Otherwise, excellent job.
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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 05:55:44 AM »
I turned traces back on for that reason. Sometimes I fly with them off. But, it seems to be better to have them in some instances.

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 03:00:48 PM »
wow, I don't know how I didn't watch this one before  :bhead
Great action man! you have style  :aok
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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 01:20:24 AM »
The 152 v P47 fight at 5:51 how in the world did he make that move and get guns on you that fast...that was simply impressive.
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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 02:53:44 AM »
The classic overshoot can get you killed easily. His aim was not good though probably because he had little control at the low speed he was at. Much the same problem I had a few seconds earlier. It would have been a easy enough shot with the MG151s but having only the Mk108, no reference points (no horizon) and the classic issue (in sims) of no control feedback I did not score a hit. Considering his slow speed and high AoA I must have pulled too much lead on him even for the slow Mk108 rounds, possibly shooting through his propeller disc.

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 09:16:43 AM »
Overshoot? I saw two near vertical planes the Jug then appears to pull hard and pitch back over the right, the view I see is his plane nearly 90 degrees to yours by the time you pass him....then within  a sec or two he's nose on your six shooting!
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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 11:02:35 AM »
Nice film.  Looked like a very well timed barrel roll, just didn't get the finish he needed.

I've tried that 152 a few times here in the last week, I can't get used to it.  Controls feel spongy to me.

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 03:25:19 PM »
Overshoot? I saw two near vertical planes the Jug then appears to pull hard and pitch back over the right, the view I see is his plane nearly 90 degrees to yours by the time you pass him....then within  a sec or two he's nose on your six shooting!

Yes, I agree it was a unique maneuver I have not seen it before. The guy has some skill. It's still a overshoot no matter how he forced it, but I'll admit it was done with style.

wil3ur the 152 has stability issues and the real thing featured a autopilot, a necessary accomodation in order to not wear out the pilot on long flights, it just would not settle and fly straight but skidded around a lot forcing a lot of footwork and coordination. Ingame this can be felt too even if we are spared the lateral G-forces involved.

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 03:31:10 PM »
That's not correct. The plane didn't require an auto pilot because it was squirrely. Many LW planes received auto pilots for bad weather or long flights that had otherwise perfect handling features. In fact pilot accounts during and after the war praised the stability of the 152 and said it was better than previous Fw variants. HTC's recent "AH2" modeling makes the 152 unhistorically unstable, whereas even in AH1 it was much more balanced and "on the ball" despite other shortcomings.

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Re: Ok so I made another film...
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 03:39:21 PM »
No that was not the reason for installing the autopilot. However it was observed by a british test pilot post-war though that the aircraft would have been exhausting to fly without one.

How you can be so sure of the 152s handling I do not know, few people flew it and none are still alive today afaik. The reason for these stability issues were the MW-50 70 liter tank behind the cockpit, it was added and not part of the original design. There were also many versions of the 152 discussed and worked on, we have only one of these in AH and people forget there were the A/B types, the E and C and the H which is what we have. So which one was stable you say? The C version had the 70 liter tank removed and one of the inner (left wing) 140 liter fuel tanks were used for MW50 instead, this was forced because of the situation on the ground which saw US troops overrun the facility manufacturing this sub assembly.

The 152A/B had finished prototype testing and were dismissed by the RLM as early as Oct '43. These were meant to be powered by the Jumo 213 like the Dora and the only difference between them basically was the 0.5 m longer wing span of the (short winged) 152, the familiar 152 wooden tail assembly and the much heavier armament. These were perfectly stable.

The H which we have in game is perfectly stable in certain load configurations. It just requires more knowledge to fly it well and I guess some give up on it before giving it a honest chance.
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