Argentina is not alone

[coombz]

Nothing would make me happier then Hugo Chavez getting whacked around by the British military...  Except for maybe Israel smacking around Iran a bit.

Few things would make me happier than for the US to stop being Israel's little b itch  



You may want to remember:

- Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.
- The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
- The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
- Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.
- Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

- The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.
- In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
- Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
- The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish, but a common response to any kind of criticism against Israel).

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state,
- attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied.
- In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla.
- In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus.
- In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims.
- In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out.
- In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate.
- In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), etc. etc. etc. etc.


So, who is the danger to world peace?

[wil3ur]

Don't forget the bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut or the Liberty Incident...  aside from students storming the US Embassy, to my knowledge Iran has never attacked the United States in a military fashion.  The same can't be said about our Allies...

[icepac]

The Argies proved at great cost that an A-4 armed with general purpose bombs can still sink naval assets

The US helped last time

 Tronsky

The A4s were shot down in droves because they all assigned as bombers.

They approached my dad to work as an advisor on the a4 before the war broke out since he has 1000 hours in type but he wisely stayed put in naval reserve and delta air lines.

If the argentines had used a pure fighter loadout with missiles and guns on a few, the harriers would have had big trouble.

[Shuffler]

So, who is the danger to world peace?

Here is a short list of those that were...........

 El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

[VonMessa]

Here is a short list of those that were...........

 El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

 

[SmokinLoon]

Few things would make me happier than for the US to stop being Israel's little b itch  



You may want to remember:

- Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.
- The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
- The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
- Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.
- Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

- The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.
- In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
- Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
- The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish, but a common response to any kind of criticism against Israel).

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state,
- attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied.
- In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla.
- In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into Gaza and Nablus.
- In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to support Israel's claims.
- In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out.
- In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13 soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate.
- In May 2010, Israel attacked an international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), etc. etc. etc. etc.


So, who is the danger to world peace?

 

I'm trying to think of a word that fits you that I can post here,.... but I cant.  All I can do is laugh at you!          

[cpxxx]

Coombz, that's probably most distorted and implausible piece of propaganda I have ever read and that's saying something. How exactly did the US attack, Kuwait, East Timor, Bosnia, Saudi Arabia etc. I definitely remember the Georgia thing. The Americans disguised themselves as Russians so successfully that the Russians still think they invaded.

I would remind there are other sources than whatever website you got that from!

But what's that got to do with Argentina and Falklands? In any case it's all bluff. The usual guff from a regime in trouble trying to find an external enemy to blame. In any case the Argentine military is so rundown. It couldn't even mount an attack on the Falklands without being massacred. It's all bluff and bluster. They still operate A4s and Mirages, the same ones used in 1982. The Brits have Typhoons. Enough said!

[dirtdart]

"Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!"

 

You can't be serious.  www.liveleak.com  search string IRAN , iran modesty police, iran protest etc.... Dude...wow.  You know how many guys are dead or missing limbs because of components manufactured and imported by Iran to Iraq? 

"In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked:"

El Salvador (1980) Incorrect.  SF aided the gvt of El Salvador
Libya (1981), Yes, in response to incursion to US carrier group in internationally recognized international waters
Sinai (1982), LOZLZ seriously man, you just cant cut and paste from http://www.historyguy.com/use_of_american_military_forces_1981_to_1990.htm, The MFO is MULTINATIONAL... lol MULTINATIONAL.... geez
Lebanon (1982 1983)On August 21, 1982, President Reagan reported the dispatch of 80 marines to serve in the multinational force to assist in the withdrawal of members of the
Palestine Liberation force from Beirut. The Marines left September 20, 1982.
Egypt (1983):  After a Libyan plane bombed a city in Sudan on March 18, 1983, and Sudan and Egypt appealed for assistance, the United States dispatched an AWACS electronic surveillance plane to Egypt. CLEARLY ANOTHER ATTACK
Grenada (1983) Cutting off the cuban springboard to Angola.... sucks to be us I suppose.
Honduras (1983):In July 1983 the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua CLEARLY ANOTHER ATTACK
Chad (1983): On August 8, 1983, President Reagan reported the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical
support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces.  CLEARLY ANOTHER ATTACK
Persian Gulf (1984):  On June 5, 1984, Saudi Arabian jet fighter planes    , aided by intelligence from a U.S. AWACS electronic surveillance aircraft and fueled by a U.S. KC-10 tanker, shot down two Iranian fighter planes over an area of the Persian Gulf proclaimed as a protected zone for shipping.
Libya (1986)  See above, similar incident
Bolivia (1986) U.S. Army personnel and aircraft assisted Bolivia in anti-drug operations  

Tired of cutting and pasting:

Attacked:

Panama
Kuwait into southern Iraq
Afghanistan
Iraq

Aided foreign or as part of multinational operation:

Somalia
Balkans
etc....etc... etc....

You have zero credibility following this post.  FAIL. 

Here is the bottom line coombzy, we have put at risk our treasure and our security, most of the times to benefit our economic interests, but we do have a humanitrian side.  The sincere two part question I have for you is this:

Should we intervene in Syria?  Why?

Also, I lived in Argentina and South America in and around the Falklands Islands Campaign.  I recall the Junta weakening and deciding they needed a war to unify the country and strengthen their position.  They picked what they perceived to be a low hanging fruit.  A clear illustration of a lack of national resolve, unlike the brits, was their unwillingness to commit their sub or carrier.  Anyway. 

[coombz]

edited for phone spazzery

hmm I should have known that if I put the stuff about the US in it would completely sidetrack things    my mistake...I should have just kept it to the Israel vs Iran (which is already off topic enough)

DD, you know a lot more about this stuff than me, and I have a lot of respect for you. So I will put the trolling aside for a short while...  Basically I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy in all the US media focus on Iran atm when the actions of your buddy Israel are far more worrying. The media and govt is desperately trying to paint Iran as a big threat, so that you'll do Israel's dirty work for them, when nothing could be further from the truth (and even if they are building nukes, why shouldn't they have them when so many other powers do? Wouldn't you want nukes as a deterrent if Israel and the US were rattling their sabres at you, given their histories?).

I just don't understand why you're giving Israel so much money and using your military to help enact their will in the Middle East - you can probably explain it to me with your superior knowledge    further edit: I guess I'm being dense, the obvious answer is that it's because you are allies 

he who sups with the devil should use a long spoon and all that 


 

[dedalos]

I'm trying to think of a word that fits you that I can post here,.... but I cant.  All I can do is laugh at you!          

How about SmokinLoon   

[Krupinski]

Hugo Chavez will be assassinated by conflicts end....

*Runs from CIA

 

[dirtdart]

Coombzy, consider this when thinking of Israel.  How long have they possessed nukes?  When have they threatened to use them?  Has their prescence been a deterrent to attack?

On Iran:  I could care less if the Iraninans developed nuclear technology.  If they are able to create a viable reactor which generates power despite our attempts to undermine them, so be it.  That is certainly a point of national pride for them.  If they ever created a viable nuke, the probability of them using it is also pretty slim.  They and all surrounding countries are infinately aware that any use of a nuke in the middle east = the economic end for the middle east. 

So, lets look at risk vs gamble, risk being something you can mitigate with an action vs a gamble which is a risk which has elements you cannot mitigate: 

If Iran posses a nuke, would they be inclined to use it?  All their rhetoric says "Yes".  Since you cannot mitigate their rhetoric on what your gut is telling you, you have to put steps to take the problem away, which is getting to the nuke.  So, sanctions abound. 

What is the only thing that would lead Israel to use one of theirs?  ^^^^^^^^^^

Remember that even when Israel was backed into a corner, the war stayed conventional.  The Tom Clancy book Sum of All Fears was just a book. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Lets face it, no country is infallible and we americans have a saying, "My country, right or wrong" (a bastardization of a Stephen Decatur toast BTW)

[coombz]

 

good quote, I think we all have a little bit of that attitude in us

I also like "patriotism is the last resort of scoundrels"  *insert shida's pot stirring gif*

[Hannibal]

Few things would make me happier than for the US to stop being Israel's little b itch  

Amen brother.

[Penguin]

good quote, I think we all have a little bit of that attitude in us

I also like "patriotism is the last resort of scoundrels"  *insert shida's pot stirring gif*

It depends on what the patriotism is used for.  For instance, if someone says:

"Let's give aid to Tchad!  For Old Glordy!"  that's quirky, but not a danger.  On the other hand, if someone were to say, "Let's nuke Tchad!  For Old Glory!" that's clearly whack.  However, I've found that moral free agency, even in the face of peer pressure, is preferable to patriotism because you keep your opinions and participate when you agree with the idea (barring legal requirements).  Ironically, the notion of moral free agency as a way of life is central to the political system of the US (see Supreme Court rulings such as those on the Pledge of Allegiance).  So therefore, at least in the US, saying "my country, right or wrong," is the very antithesis of patriotism because the idea of the US is not to have citizens defer moral judgments to their leaders.

-Penguin