sad news after work

[Seanaldinho]

It no longer matters who throws the first punch. For instance a friend of mine was jumped by a pair of bullies in the hallway and another friend of mine went in to break it up ( this other friend is a buck 90 of muscle at 6'3) he was suspended for a week while the other two got a saturday school. If my leg had not been broken at the time those bullies would have limped away from that fight rather then being escorted by a teacher I assure you.

[Penguin]

Regarding corporal punishment, the opposite is actually true.  Bullies want to exercise power and control, and they do this by bullying, whether it be physical, emotional, or psychological.  Parents also wish to exercise power and control, and can do this through any number of means.  Children also learn from their parents, and if a child does not make a conscious effort to change, it will often repeat the behaviors of its parent(s).  Therefore, if a child is beaten by its parents if and when the parents wish to exercise power and control over the child for whatever reason (be it discipline or abuse, and especially the latter) then the child is likely to do the same thing if and when it bullies.  Especially in the case of abused children, there will be empathy and control issues in the child, and the child is then likely to perform some form of (usually similar to the parents') abuse.  If it's physical, then the child beats his/her colleagues, if it's emotional or psychological, then they become manipulators, and the list goes on and on.  Therefore, corporal punishment will not reduce physical bullying except for in the rarest of cases.

-Penguin

[coombz]

fact: bullies target weak people   (edit: to be absolutely clear, they will target people they perceive as weak and easy targets)

stand up to them and they will look for someone easier to intimidate next time

if your kid always backs down and is easily intimidated then it's probably your fault for being a crappy parent

[VonMessa]

fact: bullies target weak people   (edit: to be absolutely clear, they will target people they perceive as weak and easy targets)

stand up to them and they will look for someone easier to intimidate next time

if your kid always backs down and is easily intimidated then it's probably your fault for being a crappy parent

Amen.

Usually it only takes the bully to have his   one good time and the problem is solved.

[Penguin]

While parents can shape personalities, it's not necessarily anyone's fault; just being a younger sibling can engender docility.  Not everyone can be expected to have a degree in psychology (I'm not saying that I have one, though).  As for beating the bully up, it's not that simple.  That child has issues with control that are so bad that they got their jollies by bullying someone else.  Just pounding them into the pavement will at best put the problem off for a few years, after which they might rape or abuse their children to achieve those same feelings of power and control.

-Penguin

[homersipes]

well from personal experience, I was bullied by this kid who was 2 years older than me.  I put up with it for 3 years, never wanted to fight and get suspended as if you miss too many days you lose credits(only needed one more day due to going hunting for a week)  but anyways, was in english class early with a friend and this kid was in there, started giving me crap and my friend egged me on a little bit, I walked over got in his face he shoved me and I countered by punching him 3 times in the face.  Bloodied his nose gave him a black eye and fat lip.  After that NEVER one time had another problem with ANYONE.  luckily the teacher wasnt there.

[Penguin]

I don't quite understand how you mean.  Did he never have another problem with anyone, or did you not have another problem with anyone?

-Penguin

[clerick]

Regarding corporal punishment, the opposite is actually true.  Bullies want to exercise power and control, and they do this by bullying, whether it be physical, emotional, or psychological.  Parents also wish to exercise power and control, and can do this through any number of means.  Children also learn from their parents, and if a child does not make a conscious effort to change, it will often repeat the behaviors of its parent(s).  Therefore, if a child is beaten by its parents if and when the parents wish to exercise power and control over the child for whatever reason (be it discipline or abuse, and especially the latter) then the child is likely to do the same thing if and when it bullies.  Especially in the case of abused children, there will be empathy and control issues in the child, and the child is then likely to perform some form of (usually similar to the parents') abuse.  If it's physical, then the child beats his/her colleagues, if it's emotional or psychological, then they become manipulators, and the list goes on and on.  Therefore, corporal punishment will not reduce physical bullying except for in the rarest of cases.

-Penguin

You need to get a clue. There is a marked difference between corporal punishment and abuse. You have a lot to learn, first and foremost, that you don't know as much as you think you know.

[Karnak]

It varies from bully to bully.  Some are cowards and some aren't and will keep at you as even punching them in the face makes them happy because they know they are getting to you.

[Penguin]

You need to get a clue. There is a marked difference between corporal punishment and abuse. You have a lot to learn, first and foremost, that you don't know as much as you think you know.

I made a clear distinction between the two.  I said that punishing a child by beating them establishes beatings as a means to exercise power and control, while physically abusing the child will give him/her a desire for control.  I did not state that corporal punishment creates such a desire, for I am well aware that most often it does not.

-Penguin

[clerick]

I made a clear distinction between the two.  I said that punishing a child by beating them establishes beatings as a means to exercise power and control, while physically abusing the child will give him/her a desire for control.  I did not state that corporal punishment creates such a desire, for I am well aware that most often it does not.

-Penguin

You absolutely did not. You started your drivel with, "regarding corporal punishment," and then puked some BS about child abuse and beating children. Let me make the distinction again, corporal punishment is NOT  the same as beating! Do NOT use them interchangably.

[Maverick]

Legend, You just don't understand, penguin is a legend and an expert in his own mind. Just ask him, he knows everything. Why there is hardly another human being who knows as much as the 15 year old penguin. Just ask him, or wait a while and he'll show you by posting more expertise. He can't help it. It just drips off of his fingers onto his keyboard and runs all over the internet! Why he isn't a millionaire yet is a mystery.

[Penguin]

You absolutely did not. You started your drivel with, "regarding corporal punishment," and then puked some BS about child abuse and beating children. Let me make the distinction again, corporal punishment is NOT  the same as beating! Do NOT use them interchangably.

I was replying to a comment that argued that there were bullies because parents did not beat their children, your point is moot.

-Penguin

[clerick]

I was replying to a comment that argued that there were bullies because parents did not beat their children, your point is moot.

-Penguin

I was correcting your nonesense. The fact remains that you lumped child abuse in with corporal punishment. You cannot run around half cocked like you do and expect us to stay quiet. Do yourself a favor and get over your arrogance before it becomes a real problem for you as an adult.

[CAP1]

So this afternoon when we all got back to the shop, our boss called us in for a meeting.  He tells us that there was a tradgedy in town this afternoon.  A coworkers son had shot himself in the face at school.  So i anyone could spare a minute and say a prayer I think him and his family could use it

 ya know? i'm gonna dance real careful here........

 i cannot, and do not feel for anyone that attempts suicide, either successfully or unsuccessfully. short of finding out you're about to die an agonizing death, there is no reason, or excuse for it. it is the cowards way out.

 i am sorry that this hurt you. if the kid was being bullied, he should have found a better way to deal with it.

 have i ever mentioned that i was "that kid" in school? well.....i was right up until i threw a desk at the kid that was trying to bully me.
 anyway........sorry for your hurt, and for his families hurt.