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Offline Raptor05121

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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2012, 10:27:54 AM »
I thought the underbelly radiator on a P-51 was the aftercooler for the forced induction?
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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2012, 01:33:58 AM »
If you look at as an overall energy picture I can take on a couple of planes or even having my present fight interrupted and still escape said situation in a dora. It is true the very fact that your up against generally more powerful planes that the A5 falls short. I agree with the running away part, but even spits will try and run away once you have their 6 against quick planes like ponys I will always build an E advantage I can chase them down quickly with.

In the vertical and top end acceleration the a5 also falls short of the dora a lot of my fighting is pointing the nose up and maxing out the aircraft in vertical spirals using primarily roll the a5 just doesn't seem to lend itself well to this type of energy fighting.



Scissor fight the A5, that's where she truly shines.  Even with one aeileron and one elevator missing she can still out-scissor alot of the other aircraft, amazing roll rate on that plane.  I love it to death.

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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2012, 05:55:43 AM »
Scissor fight the A5, that's where she truly shines.  Even with one aeileron and one elevator missing she can still out-scissor alot of the other aircraft, amazing roll rate on that plane.  I love it to death.

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Flat scissors in a 190 are a last ditch desperation move from my experience, in general flat scissors are one of the least useful manveours in any plane and usually require that the guy on your 6 is an idiot to be successful or as an exploit for the fact your connected to the internet.

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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2012, 06:03:07 AM »
Scissor fight the A5, that's where she truly shines.  Even with one aeileron and one elevator missing she can still out-scissor alot of the other aircraft, amazing roll rate on that plane.  I love it to death.

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The A5 scissors...  well... it can do it, but only in very limited conditions.
One situation is the high speed scissors, but only a very few opponents enters it.
Another one is the nose-up vertical reverse overshoot. But again, once i lose the open-flaps position (aka ging nose down) im dead, instantly, to anything.
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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2012, 12:09:06 PM »
in general flat scissors are one of the least useful manveours in any plane and usually require that the guy on your 6 is an idiot to be successful 


Mostly agree with you.  The guy tailing you doesn't have to be an "idiot" for it to work, just overconfident or not paying attention.  It's still a desperation move.

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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2012, 05:51:24 AM »
if you get the con off sync, you can delay enough for a pal to clear you.  The 190 is a fantastic group plane. . .not as hot solo.

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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »
if you get the con off sync, you can delay enough for a pal to clear you.  The 190 is a fantastic group plane. . .not as hot solo.

I'd disagree on both points, the usual way a person gets shot down during evasives is when he straightens out to get speed to maneuver back, or gets so slow from evasive manoeuvring that he presents a good guns solution.

On the other hand usually when you want a con cleared off you its best to have some distance between you and the con and to fly relatively straight for your faster team mate to pick him off. In a situation were your 'wingman' is performing evasive maneuvers with a con on his tail a lot of the time you will kill the con just after he has killed your wingman viewed as a chain, your wingman clearing you will almost always only get to shoot the con on your 6 after he has taken a shot on you, for the reasons explained in my first paragraph. There are of course exceptions.

I do just fine in a 190d by myself without any help, a lot of the situations were I string a good kill run together 10+ is on my own. You can find friendly aircraft more maneuverable in the turn can swipe in and pinch the kill your setting up, things always take longer in a 190.

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Re: Radiator hits for different plane types
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2012, 04:46:54 AM »
Perv, I suspect (not really, I know) that you are good enough to take any plane and do well in it - your preference is based on the way you can press an advantage in a Dora whereas in other planes your opponent has to choose to stay (I suspect).

What i meant to say is that the 190 is fantastic at energy cooperation and performs exceptionally well in situations where you work with one or more to achieve energy superiority (without coming in with a massive alt advantage and basically picking which is what you see a lot of 51 pilots do).  When under an opponent, the 109 is a far better (imho) plane to be in because it generates e faster and converts that e into altitude more efficiently while the 190 takes more time to generate e and alt (2 seconds faster for the k4 to 250 then then dora, turns tighter, climbs faster at all alts - and maby its just me but those 2 seconds 'feel' like a lot more).  Which is why I (and I don't think I am alone) for smaller group stuff or situations where I am at an e disadvantage (which is almost always) the 109 is a much better plane in every respect.  That aside, the A5 turns a lot tighter and accelerates almost as fast - and climbs better between 3 and 9k - add to that the slightly better roll rate, smaller target, lack of a radiator, gentler stall, and slightly better rudder authority - the A5 is a fantastic knife fighter and very well suited for the kind of fighting we see in AH. All it lacks in that blitzing top speed (but its not crippling).

In FSO and scenarios 190s are just much better then the 109s where the roll rate (more cons, more roll shows its strength), gun package, dive performance/high speed maneuverability (becomes more apparent as you go up) and views (again, more cons, more it shows) all really show off the reason the 190 is the better fighter in most respects.  

The scissor and general roll related ACM (in various yoyos, in BRDs. and so on) is something I use a lot to throw opponents off sync and it works great for giving a friendly enough time to get down an clear me.  The high speed flat scissor is especially good in the 190 since you can basically keep the opponent looking at you, while also moving in the same direction - and since you are looking back, you can time the final unload before you execute the overshoot or the 'you follow you die too' evasive.  But again, this only shows where you have someone sandwiching the opponent - and most will take a few shots and break - which means you live.

the radiator bug, which I really do consider a bug because it happens so often it could not be anything but. . .is a major source of frustration for 109 and dora/152 pilots - which is why i mentioned the A5 as my workaround - I still feel most comfortable in the k4 though but will not start my night in it because it gets me frustrated (really, its only the radiator crap, the tater is a joy) and that is not how I like to start a session.

anyway, my 2 cents.
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