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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2012, 03:54:17 PM »
MaSonZ understood what  i was saying. I was not putting you down for what you and your family have, I was saying those of us who do not have as much, or who have worked our butts off to raise our kids and pay our bills are theoretically just as intellectual as you are, but we have learned not everything we learned in school is correct.
If the United States had an "official language", as opposed to "the language we all use", can you explain why congress has tried to pass, during multiple sessions, a bill proposing just that? I refer you to just one of many web sites, http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html which basically say, and I quote,
"Many people are surprised to learn that the United States has no official language. As one of the major centers of commerce and trade, and a major English-speaking country, many assume that English is the country's official language. But despite efforts over the years, the United States has no official language.

Almost every session of Congress, an amendment to the Constitution is proposed in Congress to adopt English as the official language of the United States. Other efforts have attempted to take the easier route of changing the U.S. Code to make English the official language. As of this writing, the efforts have not been successful.

Here is the text of a proposed amendment. This particular bill was introduced in the House of Representatives as H.J. Res. 16 (107th Congress):

The English language shall be the official language of the United States. As the official language, the English language shall be used for all public acts including every order, resolution, vote, or election, and for all records and judicial proceedings of the Government of the United States and the governments of the several States.

Also introduced in the 107th Congress was this text from H.R. 3333:

The Government of the United States shall preserve and enhance the role of English as the official language of the United States of America. Unless specifically stated in applicable law, no person has a right, entitlement, or claim to have the Government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services, or provide materials in any language other than English. If exceptions are made, that does not create a legal entitlement to additional services in that language or any language other than English.

Often these bills are in response to legislation recognizing non-English languages in public discourse of some kind. H.R. 3333, for example, also explicitly repealed the Bilingual Education Act which authorized funds to educate American students if their native tongue as well as to provide specialized training in the learning of English.

The most recent efforts to promote English as the official language has come as more and more immigration from Spanish-speaking and Eastern nations (such as China and Vietnam) has brought an influx of non-English speakers to the United States. According to the 1990 Census, 13.8 percent of U.S. residents speak some non-English language at home. 2.9 percent, or 6.7 million people, did not speak English at all, or could not speak it well."

It goes on about how the ACLU gets their panties all bunched up whenever this comes up, but I have little use for an organization that is basically against everything I believe, and is funded with money I pay in taxes. This forces me to support a group which I do not, in reality, support.
I await your research and response to what your "5th or 6th grade Social Studies book" which you say says, "yes, the U.S. does have two official languages: English and Spanish" taught you. Did either of those books give you a reference as to where one would find that information? In the constitution, the Bill of Rights? One of the ammendments? The ACLU pocket book of How America Should Be?
As I stated, all that is learned in today's class room is not necessarily correct, and that is the other thing I was referring to when I said the years give you wisdom.

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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2012, 04:12:22 PM »
MaSonZ understood what  i was saying. I was not putting you down for what you and your family have, I was saying those of us who do not have as much, or who have worked our butts off to raise our kids and pay our bills are theoretically just as intellectual as you are, but we have learned not everything we learned in school is correct.

And I can relate because I grew up in a family much like that. I also can relate because when my parents split when I was around 12 I had to balance hockey, football, baseball, a kids life, school and pulling the weight of a mans duty around the house with my brother who is only 2 years older. As a result, I can say from expierence I have had to make it through these past 7 1/2 years living off barely enough money to squeek through, especially after I got my license. I Could not ask my mom or dad for money because my dad had a mortgage to pay for, and my mom is only making $12/h. High school is just about over for me, and I still dont have a job I am working that I Want to do for my career. I have an interview tomorrow to ride as an EMT for an ambulance, but an interview does not gaurentee a job, especially where I live.
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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2012, 04:20:52 PM »
MASonZ,
From an old guy who has been there, I sincerly wish you all the best, and hope that your hardships have not harmed you, but made you stronger and wiser.
Gold may never fill your pockets, but if someday you can take half of what is in your pocket and give it to someone with no pocket, you will be able to feel like the richest guy in the world.
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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2012, 04:23:36 PM »
I never said that it was correct, it was just something that I read after class a few years ago.  So I guess there is no official language of the US.  I learn something new every day. :salute

Certainly, times change and science charges ahead.  Learning is something that you don't stop doing once you leave school.

We don't know why we only use 1/8 of the human brain.  It's a mystery of neuroscience that persists to this day.  Heck, only this month did we find out the precise chemistry of memory formation.  We've got a long way to go until we can answer that question.

I certainly didn't mean to put anyone down, and I don't recall saying something to the effect of "poor people are stupid," and I certainly hope that I didn't!  :o

No matter how intelligent I am, I won't change the way that people think.  Are you saying that debate is pointless in a philosophical sense, or that this particular BBS is made up of obstinate individuals?  Both could be true, but I'm not sure which one you mean.

HB555, that was profound! :aok

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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2012, 04:33:30 PM »
Penguin, could you please clarify your argument by specificing exactly which elements of the English language you would like alter?

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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2012, 04:34:24 PM »
MASonZ,
From an old guy who has been there, I sincerly wish you all the best, and hope that your hardships have not harmed you, but made you stronger and wiser.
Gold may never fill your pockets, but if someday you can take half of what is in your pocket and give it to someone with no pocket, you will be able to feel like the richest guy in the world.

They harmed me at first, got busted selling weed, but after I got my record clean (check out MA's laws for marijuana, primarioly the decriminalization), I cleaned up and focused on what I need to do to be anything in life. Right now being a certified EMT, I cant do anything stupid. I highly doubt gold will ver fill my pockets unless I hit the lottery on the first ticket I ever play, but as long as I can put food on the table, keep a roof over my head and still have a few pennies to play with at the end of the month I will be perfectly content. It would sure be dandy to make 6 digit salary yearly, but I don't need that to be happy. just recently I damn near drained my bank account to help a buddy get a truck, and I savor the pennies I get weekly in payment right now to the fullest.


I certainly didn't mean to put anyone down, and I don't recall saying something to the effect of "poor people are stupid," and I certainly hope that I didn't!  :o I didn't read it as this, coming from different ends of the financial spectrum there was a lot of clashing heads here. Hell, had HB not put things into a wise life long lesson we would still be clashing heads.

No matter how intelligent I am, I won't change the way that people think.  Are you saying that debate is pointless in a philosophical sense, or that this particular BBS is made up of obstinate individuals?  Both could be true, but I'm not sure which one you mean. both are true to an extent. many people on the AH BBS have their ways set and there is no changing it. this shows in their personal life too, after all, why would they change to soemthing they aren't for a website? Going onto this, where did they learn that from? their parents? Life long struggles? The world is full of people who are stuck in their ways and will not change.

HB555, that was profound! :aok

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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2012, 04:51:49 PM »
Interestingly, being set in their ways makes them into excellent sparring partners- they're always ready for another go.

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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2012, 05:15:12 PM »
Interestingly, being set in their ways makes them into excellent sparring partners- they're always ready for another go.

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However, we are smart enough to realize that is all we are, sparring partners, and therefore choose to walk away, in the hopes that the next person will be more interested in what we have to say, rather than just refute our arguments based on the limited knowledge you now possess. We were all pretty smart years ago, but the older we got and the smarter we got, the more we realized that we were not near as smart as we thought we were.
Hope you remember this conversation in 25 to 50 years, like I remember the ones I had with older guys.
All the best, Penguin.
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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #83 on: March 04, 2012, 05:23:24 PM »
HB, you are a man of much knowledge.  :salute
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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #84 on: March 04, 2012, 05:49:43 PM »
HB, you are a man of much knowledge.  :salute

He is a gentleman and a scholar.   :aok
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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #85 on: March 04, 2012, 07:37:26 PM »
However, we are smart enough to realize that is all we are, sparring partners, and therefore choose to walk away, in the hopes that the next person will be more interested in what we have to say, rather than just refute our arguments based on the limited knowledge you now possess. We were all pretty smart years ago, but the older we got and the smarter we got, the more we realized that we were not near as smart as we thought we were.
Hope you remember this conversation in 25 to 50 years, like I remember the ones I had with older guys.
All the best, Penguin.
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Certainly, you would realize this, but there are enough of them to keep me satisfied.  I am certainly interested by what you have to say, but that doesn't mean that I always agree.  There's a fine line between those, though, and the rather impersonal nature of our interaction certainly makes it all the more difficult to see.  Why do you think I stick around?  I'm alone, but you all help to keep me from falling off the deep end of my beliefs.  Imagine if I hung out with a bunch of kids who were just like me, my experience would be stunted and I'd never hear the argument of the other side.  Pretty soon I'd be as far on the left wing as I was on the right.  This forum, which usually disagrees with me, keeps me both entertained and alert to the possibility that I, like you said, am not as smart as I think.

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