Saints penalty

[grizz441]

I think it's fair. Sure it's a brutal sport, but when you encourage players to actually injure others you are risking the careers and potentially tens of millions in future income for the players you put the bounty on. These coaches are losing six weeks to a year of income for encouraging behaviour that could have cost others years worth.

Except the bounty program didn't encourage you to play outside of the rules, just hard nosed football. What incentive would a player have if he gets a 5k bonus for knocking a player out of the game if the league fines him 60k for a cheap hit?

[DREDIOCK]

Except the bounty program didn't encourage you to play outside of the rules, just hard nosed football. What incentive would a player have if he gets a 5k bonus for knocking a player out of the game if the league fines him 60k for a cheap hit?

Attempting to intentionally injure someone to knock them out of the game is against the rules. I have nothing against hard nosed football and enjoy the big hit as much as anyone. But. Not all of those shots Favre took in that championship game were exactly clean shots. And thee were  a couple that should have been called as penalties and werent.
If anything some of those refs should be reprimanded as well.

The incentive is a big ring.
Most players will tell you that they couldnt care less about the superbowl money. What they really want is that championship ring

[grizz441]

Attempting to intentionally injure someone to knock them out of the game is against the rules. I have nothing against hard nosed football and enjoy the big hit as much as anyone. But. Not all of those shots Favre took in that championship game were exactly clean shots. And thee were  a couple that should have been called as penalties and werent.
If anything some of those refs should be reprimanded as well.

The incentive is a big ring.
Most players will tell you that they couldnt care less about the superbowl money. What they really want is that championship ring

What does the bounty program have to do with wanting a Super Bowl ring then?

And knocking a player out of the game does not imply you injured him.  Players get roughed up all the time in all sports and leave the game only to return later or play the next week.

[Shuffler]

C'mon Rich, do you honestly believe that headhunting and brutality are something new to the NFL? Or are you just railing against the "gangsta" attitude and those that perpetuate it?

Personally, I'll stop watching football when they make hard, aggressive play against the rules... oh wait, they are already in the process. It won't be long before a defender isn't allowed within five yards of one of those pretty boy quarterbacks. Mark my words, the sack is going to be a thing of the past.

They are going to charge people $100+ per seat, only to make them watch a game that is a mere shell of it's former self. Sip on that for awhile, because I ain't buying.

EDIT: And I still stand by my statement that the only reason the NFL is doing this to N.O. is to make themselves look good before the upcoming litigation.

EDIT2: Watch this short film and tell me that this isn't how football should be played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBumQdwc-tE

Your confusing hard agressive plays with headhunting.

[grizz441]

Attempting to intentionally injure someone to knock them out of the game is against the rules. I have nothing against hard nosed football and enjoy the big hit as much as anyone. But. Not all of those shots Favre took in that championship game were exactly clean shots. And thee were  a couple that should have been called as penalties and werent.
If anything some of those refs should be reprimanded as well.

The incentive is a big ring.
Most players will tell you that they couldnt care less about the superbowl money. What they really want is that championship ring

Btw let me be clear, I am not arguing that there shouldn't have been a fine/suspension, mainly because of the publicity backlash.  I wonder how many similar bounty programs got quietly retired after the Saints got ratted out.  But a year suspension for the head coach?  Puhhhlease, should have been a 2-4 game suspension. 

[Rich52]

Thats not what Im saying. It was, and always will be, a hard hitting violent sport but that doesnt mean you have to act like Tony Soprano to play it. This Saints things is so low life its almost hard to believe. It isnt just the headhunting for pay but its the arrogance of the coaches, players, even the GM, lieing about it to the NFL. It has nothing to do with playing hard hitting football. Having such low life incentives promotes dirty play and a dirty organization. Again, this has nothing to do with the new rules that are trying to limit injuries. The Saints crossed a line and then tried to Lie their way out of it.

Im glad they got stepped on. I'd be just as glad if it was the Bears who got stepped on for pulling this lowlife stunt. The NFL is either a class organization or it isnt.

C'mon Rich, do you honestly believe that headhunting and brutality are something new to the NFL? Or are you just railing against the "gangsta" attitude and those that perpetuate it?

Personally, I'll stop watching football when they make hard, aggressive play against the rules... oh wait, they are already in the process. It won't be long before a defender isn't allowed within five yards of one of those pretty boy quarterbacks. Mark my words, the sack is going to be a thing of the past.

They are going to charge people $100+ per seat, only to make them watch a game that is a mere shell of it's former self. Sip on that for awhile, because I ain't buying.

EDIT: And I still stand by my statement that the only reason the NFL is doing this to N.O. is to make themselves look good before the upcoming litigation.

EDIT2: Watch this short film and tell me that this isn't how football should be played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBumQdwc-tE

[Nathan60]

Time to investigate the Steelers wondering how much Harrison makes to head hunt. <throws line in pond>

Lamar Woodley is the  headhunter there

[DREDIOCK]

What does the bounty program have to do with wanting a Super Bowl ring then?

And knocking a player out of the game does not imply you injured him.  Players get roughed up all the time in all sports and leave the game only to return later or play the next week.

Players getting knocked out of the game arent knocked out because their are feeling ecstasy (well some of em might)
If you are hurt enough to get knocked out of a game you could potentially be hurt enough to have your career ended.
I remember in high school there was a coach that actually taught and encouraged going after an opponents knees.

From what I understand for talking to kids from other townships at the time it wasnt all that uncommon though still against the rules. I knew several who had to have knee surgery. Back then knee surgery meant any hope of playing football was ended.

When you go after someone in a game to intentionally hurt them to knock them out of the game. You arent just looking to make a big hit to intimidate in the normal course of the game. You are typically going after specific target areas that will do the task all in one shot.

Its all about winning the games. In the NFL you win enough games and you get to play in the superbowl. Win the superbowl and you get a big ring.

[jeep00]

I don't understand all the animosity towards Tebow? Because he's a Christian, or wants to give God the glory for his success? We are, or were a Christian Nation.

We are a FREE nation, to include freedom of (or preferably FROM) religion.

Bob

[DREDIOCK]

Btw let me be clear, I am not arguing that there shouldn't have been a fine/suspension, mainly because of the publicity backlash.  I wonder how many similar bounty programs got quietly retired after the Saints got ratted out.  But a year suspension for the head coach?  Puhhhlease, should have been a 2-4 game suspension. 

Actually I wouldnt be surprised if Benson ended up firing him. It certainly would seem approperiate. 2-4 Games? No way. 2-4 games is what a player gets for making one dirty hit. This went on for several years. He knew about it, condoned it, then lied about it. As the head coach the responsibility ultimately falls on his shoulders. This wasnt just something the players had going on between themselves. Coaches and supposedly the front office were in on it as well.

To be fair. I am sure that these people are being made an example of. Now precedent has been set.

and alot has to do witht he Saints "Its our Universe" attitude they took on the matter as is pointed out here.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/03/new_orleans_saints_now_feel_th.html

""It's our universe." Anyone who's dealt with the New Orleans Saints in the Sean Payton era has heard the phrase more than once. It's a favorite of Saints executives, who often directed it to the uninitiated or unwitting who dared question their authority.
It's one thing to act this way to the media or opponents; it's altogether different to do so toward your boss.

In essence that's what Payton did with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and league officials when they accused the Saints of running a bounty program.

Essentially, the Saints told Goodell: "It's our universe" and to go away."

Seems Green bay was probed for similar violations in 2007 as well

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/03/nfl_investigated_green_bay_pac.html
The New Orleans Saints weren't the only team to be investigated by the NFL for violations of the league's "bounty rule" in recent years. The Green Bay Packers were investigated in 2007 for lesser infractions and wound up suffering no punishment after agreeing to discontinue their actions.

In 2007, Packers players reportedly offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if they were able to hold Minnesota Vikings tailback Adrian Peterson under 100 rushing yards and the Carolina Panthers under 60 rushing yards as a team.

Reportedly, the league investigated the Packers at the time for possible violations of both the illegal incentive program and the "bounty rule," which prohibits players from placing a bounty on opponents that could lead to unnecessary violent acts.

Ultimately, the league did not enact any punishments. At the time, league spokesman Greg Aiello said, "The club has handled the matter with the players, and the incentive pool has been discontinued."

At the time, Packers general manager Ted Thompson claimed responsibility, saying, "In management, we knew of the prohibition (against player incentive pools). It's my belief that the players involved did not think there was any prohibition, and that's a communication error we made. That's ultimately my responsibility."

Two different instances handled two different ways by their respective clubs.

[Shuffler]

Btw let me be clear, I am not arguing that there shouldn't have been a fine/suspension, mainly because of the publicity backlash.  I wonder how many similar bounty programs got quietly retired after the Saints got ratted out.  But a year suspension for the head coach?  Puhhhlease, should have been a 2-4 game suspension. 

Yup you can bet there were others. Only the saints so far had a paper trail.

[Shuffler]

We are a FREE nation, to include freedom of (or preferably FROM) religion.

Bob

So if your to force everyone else into not praticing their beliefs while you practice yours. hmm

[jeep00]

So if your to force everyone else into not praticing their beliefs while you practice yours. hmm

If I can sort out the sentance structure accurately, then no, I would say freedom from religion is preferable to me, but this nation is based in part on freedom of religion, so it matters not to me what others wish to believe with regards to actual religion. So you may all practice whatever, I will continue to enjoy spirituality without the constraints of religious bias and narrowminded bigotry. But no matter what is believed, Hairy Plunderer or Cosmic Muffin, this is still not a Christian nation, but a nation of many and varying religions, faiths and beliefs, and the better for it.

[Shuffler]

If I can sort out the sentance structure accurately, then no, I would say freedom from religion is preferable to me, but this nation is based in part on freedom of religion, so it matters not to me what others wish to believe with regards to actual religion. So you may all practice whatever, I will continue to enjoy spirituality without the constraints of religious bias and narrowminded bigotry. But no matter what is believed, Hairy Plunderer or Cosmic Muffin, this is still not a Christian nation, but a nation of many and varying religions, faiths and beliefs, and the better for it.

Then believe in what you wish to believe in. Let others believe in what they wish to believe in. If folks do something that is not along your beliefs then don't participate. To force your wish on others is narrow minded bigotry.

This Nation was developed as it is. your freedom is that you can participate if you wish or make your own path.

Not sure how you got here from a bounty program. lol

[jeep00]

Then believe in what you wish to believe in. Let others believe in what they wish to believe in. If folks do something that is not along your beliefs then don't participate. To force your wish on others is narrow minded bigotry.

This Nation was developed as it is. your freedom is that you can participate if you wish or make your own path.

Not sure how you got here from a bounty program. lol

I agree, a bit convoluted. The path led from thinking Tebow was vilified for his religious beliefs, not the fact that he can't play at the NFL leve (which I truly believe he can someday), and the statements involved in that. It was stated he should be accepted because we are a Christian nation. I only wanted to point out that we are not, and that is not a belief, it is the first amendment in the Bill of Rights that we have freedom of religion. So pointing that out is not narrowminded, it is a point of fact. Again, I really do not mind any religion, I am not one who gets enjoyment from slamming doors in the face of Mormons, etc.
But I fully agree, it is your freedom to choose your path here, but we step daily closer to losing that exact freedom, and calling us a Christian nation is one more step because some very powerful people who love to quote the Constituion as their selling point neglect this and many other points contained within that document.
But this is unintentionally far too off topic, my apologies.