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Offline Flench

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Re: What's up with Photobucket and Video copy right's ?
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 01:32:35 PM »
and how did this post get simi off topic ? I was getting my print's done with photobucket untill this last deal with the copy rights stuff happpen .
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Re: What's up with Photobucket and Video copy right's ?
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 02:13:49 PM »
Flench,

I think the point to be made out of the discussion is that many companies are aggressively protecting not only their own copyrights, but also copyrights of other people.  Certainly, buying a CD does not automatically convey the right to make duplicates or even view the contents in any way other than how it is spelled out in the license agreement.  Which was the point I was discussing where wal-mart made me prove that the CD full of images I had came with a license to make prints of the images on that CD.

If photobucket's restriction is in error, then you need to provide them with proof that you actually have the right to copy, modify, distribute, or whatever you're doing to the contents of that CD.  If you can't provide proof, then photobucket is bound by law to not provide you with any services that may violate someone's copyright.

Yea it sucks for people making legit copies but enough people make illegal copies (and enough content providers restrict their "sold" content to the point where it is nearly impossible to use or view that content legally) that powerful companies and associations basically bribed a ton of congressmen/women into passing very restrictive laws on digital copyright enforcement.  While you can argue that these laws protect both large and small content producers, it also had the effect of making it perfectly legal for a media production company to "sell" you a CD full of stuff that you can't really use because they didn't really sell you the CD, they sold you a license to use the CD in a manner specified by a lengthy legal document that nobody understands.  In extreme cases, simply putting that CD into your computer could constitute a violation that could result in many thousands of dollars in fines or even a jail term.

The problem is that the rules are so draconian that even innocent people are affected, sometimes badly.  And other companies that deal with content have to be super careful about what they allow to be moved/copied/distributed/viewed with their services or they could get sued too, even if there was no intentional or actual theft involved.

So basically you have only a few options, assuming you have the rights you say you do (to get prints or a video made from a CD).  You could prove to photobucket that you have the rights you claim, and they MIGHT help you out.  Or you could find another print service.  

Or, if you want to join the ever growing ranks of the digital criminal elite, you could copy the images to your computer, use any (free) photo editing software to delete all image meta-data which is often where details like the photographer's name and copyright restrictions are stored, save the scrubbed files, and then re-attempt to get the freshly scrubbed images printed.  This is of course highly illegal and can actually earn you jail time (yea really), but sometimes that's the only way around incorrectly applied copyright restrictions.  But remember, even if you actually own copyright on an image, if you are not the original creator of that image then you may be forbidden by federal law to modify the image in any way, including removing file meta-data.  If you don't like that, write your congressman and complain, realizing that if your complaint is not accompanied by several million dollars in annual campaign contributions, the congressman will not help you one bit since that's what it took to get the original law passed.
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Re: What's up with Photobucket and Video copy right's ?
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2012, 10:21:43 PM »
I see.
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Re: What's up with Photobucket and Video copy right's ?
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2012, 09:29:53 AM »
This will only get worse. They are just following the law. If you host them yourself and do not control copyright then you'll suffer the expensive consequences.
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Re: What's up with Photobucket and Video copy right's ?
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2012, 10:56:59 AM »
In all fairness, the photographer included the copyright release on either the CD or the CD jacket.  The problem I had was that Wal-mart had not enforced this requirement in the past, and the online submission site and process did not make it obvious that we would need to physically carry the copyright release to the store in order to pick up the prints.

In the past, we submitted the pics and picked them up, no questions asked.  Since we don't steal stuff and don't violate photographer copyrights, we thought that this was "normal".  We've used this wal-mart print shop and printed images from the same photographer before, so it was a big surprise when they suddenly started enforcing a rule that wasn't obviously posted anywhere.


Well, sounds like somebody wasn't doing their job before...  Then they started doing their job.

As for the quality of prints at Wal Mart, over the years I have traveled extensively to work and have gotten quick prints at various 1 Hour Photo Labs.  I've always found that Wal Mart labs are really hit and miss.  You will find some that are printing garbage and occaisionally you'll find one that is putting out good work.

I've actually found Walgreens stores to have pretty good consistency from store to store.

That said, I rarely get prints for customers anywhere but my one of my favorite pro labs.  I just use 1 Hour Labs if the client needs proofs in a hurry, or I want to see something in print prior to having the real prints made.

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Re: What's up with Photobucket and Video copy right's ?
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 11:30:15 AM »
+1

I've had many requests from random people who want to use some photo off my website for personal use, or even several for a commercial use on a calender or book.  I always respond by pointing out where the I have both hi and low res digital downloads with either a personal or commercial use license listed for sale right under all the different print sizes when you click "Buy This Photo".

So far I've only had one actually buy it.  :(

As for Wal-Mart and the photo CD, I quit selling photos on CD a few years ago, but when I did I included a personal use license document right on the CD.  I quit selling CDs however after somebody entered a picture of his pet Labrador (which I took, and sold to him on CD) in a local amateur pet store sponsored photo contest as his own photo, and won.  :rolleyes:   Also I decided I didn't want my photos to be reflected poorly because of cheap home printers or crappy Wally world prints.

Ever done any google image searches for shats and gags to see if anyone is bogarting your stuff?
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