Pick one variant of an existing unit you would like to see added

[nrshida]

There has to be a handicap system for American and Luftwobble planes 

The Ki-100 therefore wins by a country mile 

Two weeks 

[thndregg]

Oh and B-17 E or F please!

Agree with the B17F. Used heavily before the "G".

http://www.markstyling.com/mto_b17s1.htm

[Karnak]

Arlo,

As I understand it, the art is the biggest, but not only, obstacle to adding new units.  The Ki-100 would probably be on the outside edge of being a variant, but the P-38H, for example, would require very little artwork.

[Arlo]

Arlo,

As I understand it, the art is the biggest, but not only, obstacle to adding new units.  The Ki-100 would probably be on the outside edge of being a variant, but the P-38H, for example, would require very little artwork.

Players make skins - that's no obstacle. Pyro and HT make the shapes and model performance. What you suggest it would require exact performance modeling. The CV wouldn't. So there you have it - modify shape and skin and a whole new variant of a unit (the CV) exists. Players make skins - that's no obstacle. Pyro and HT make the shapes and model performance. Most likely without bugs. Enhancement to the game. Include my vote or not but it's a genuine one made per your parameters.

[Karnak]

When I say "art" I mean the polygons, shape, what have you.

If HTC were to make a Shokaku, they would not modify the Essex, they would start from scratch as that would be far easier than doing a modification.  You can only use existing shapes if they are identical, say the Ki-61's wings and tail for the Ki-100's wings and tail.

[Arlo]

When I say "art" I mean the polygons, shape, what have you.

Well then let's talk shape modeling. So, you're saying that you want a variant of an 'existing unit' that has the exact same (or very similar) shape. You want this, I take, because it's a 'easy addition' to the game. You also want it to be an enhancement to the game. I contend that stretching or adding polys to the CV and painting it in the Japanese scheme the shape represents might well be as easy (easier) as asking Pyro and HT to clone an existing shape and code all the differences in flight parameters.

[Karnak]

Per statements from HTC and other 3D modelers, modifying is much harder than creating from scratch.  You can't just stretch polys into a new shape like that.  It creates more problems than it solves.

[tunnelrat]

As much as I would love to see Japanese fleet carriers in game, a CV is a field, not a unit...

[Tank-Ace]

Karnak, the count is off, you missed a couple of votes for several aircraft, and you skipped some of the suggested units.

[Karnak]

Karnak, the count is off, you missed a couple of votes for several aircraft, and you skipped some of the suggested units.

Which are missing?  Remember, I only count the first aircraft somebody mentions, Fw190F-8/U1 in your case, and I only count the person once.  If I see that somebody has done a "+1" or such as Volron did to the Li-2 bomber but had already posted their requests I dismiss it.

If somebody were to post something like: "I said Fw190F-8/U1, but I'd like to change that to Fw190A-9."  I would duly lower the vote count for the Fw190F-8/U1 and increase the count for the Fw190A-9.

[Tank-Ace]

Well, if you're only going based on the first vote/post people made, then we need to have an 'official' vote based on whats already on the list.

Some people may not have even thought of the 190F-8/U1, or the Ki-45 before they already posted.

[Arlo]

As much as I would love to see Japanese fleet carriers in game, a CV is a field, not a unit...

Capture one. You have to capture it's port. It spawns from said port. Unlike the port or any air field or vehicle base (or strat), a player can take command of it, guide it. So, rather than say it's one and not the other ... it's both. It's obviously a 'field' because planes can be spawned and launched (as can PT boats and LVTs). It's a 'unit' because it can be player controlled and can be used as a mobile offensive platform.

Back to the topic at hand. What's the point of this exercise? Is it to see what players can possibly suggest that's a reasonable enhancement to the game that would not be either an exercise in futility or would at least be something that wouldn't turn out to be an excessive workload?


This is my contribution to this bit of wishful thinking. I've campaigned for the Sherman and the Mosca. Those came into being. I've campaigned for the Sparviero and a Spanish Civil War enviroment. Those haven't. This is more like the former and less like the latter, imo, when it comes to a reasonable request that stands a chance.

[Karnak]

Well, if you're only going based on the first vote/post people made, then we need to have an 'official' vote based on whats already on the list.

Some people may not have even thought of the 190F-8/U1, or the Ki-45 before they already posted.

I am curious about what people want, so I am not really after limiting the choices.


As far as the Shokaku, I am fine counting it as a unit, but Arlo and I just disagree on whether or not it is a variant.

[Arlo]

As far as the Shokaku, I am fine counting it as a unit, but Arlo and I just disagree on whether or not it is a variant.

Disagreement noted. (p.s. - my next choice woulda been Ki-100, btw)

[nrshida]