I wish Fw190D11

[lao]

I　wish　Fw190D11

[JOACH1M]

Why?

[mthrockmor]

We have the D-9 in game. From what I can tell the only difference between our D-9 and the D-13 is the absence of 2 13mm machine guns in the nose. What difference is there with the D-11?

Boo

[lao]

MG151 20mm*3
D11 faster than D9

[Lusche]

no serial production, only prototypes.

[Rob52240]

I wish we had it too but it doesn't really qualify for use.

[pipz]

Off the top of my head.....
The D13 had 3 X 20mm. One in each wing and one in the nose. If I recall correctly it made more power but was geared towards the lower alts.
The D11 had 2 X 20mm and 2 X 30mm all in the wings. I think that was more Jabo oriented.
As I said this is from memory. I have some pretty good books on the subject if anyone is interested in the details.

[Denniss]

Both D-11 and D-13 were to be produced to replace the D-9 and some previous A/F models.
At least seventeen D-11 did exist and two D-13 although several of them were prototypes converted from older A- or D-series airframes.

[Babalonian]

MG151 20mm*3
D11 faster than D9

I think you're mixing up a D-11 with a D-12/13.

The D-11 removed the pintle guns, and added two outer wing cannons (I've read one source say they were only 30mm, one say they could be 20mm or 30mms in the wings, and I think one of those also say some pilots removed them alltogether from the outer wings).

[PR3D4TOR]

The D-11, D-12 and D-13 were slated for production: 820 D-11 airframes were ordered from Focke-Wulf Sorau, stating in early 1945. Fieseler Kassel was tasked to build 1420 D-12s starting in the same time frame and the manufacture of 1060 D-13 was tasked to Arbeitsgruppe Roland.

17 production D-11s were delivered to the Luftwaffe before production was cancelled in favor of the D-13. JV 44 is known to have operated D-11s in airfield defense duties covering their 262s. Also two D-11s are known to have been operated by Luftwaffe fighter schools.

There were also around 20 D-13s produced before production shifted to the Ta 152. D-13 Wk. Nr 836017 flown by Franz Götz of JG 26, an ace with 63 kills, surrendered to the British in May 1945. This D-13 still exists today and is owned by the Flying Heritage Collection.

There were only 3 prototype D-12s.

The D-11 and D-13 arguably fit the criteria for inclusion in the game, but it is very borderline. Would be fun to have more to spend perks on though. 

[PR3D4TOR]

Oh and the changes from the D-9 did not only include guns, but also the engine. The D-11, D-12 and D-13 all used the Jumo 213E engine also used in the 152, with a rated altitude of 31,500 ft.

[Denniss]

Hmmm, shouldn't it be the 213F (213E without intercooler) as there was not enough space for it?

[PR3D4TOR]

I've seen both claims, so I don't really know.

[alpini13]

if we are gonna ever get another fw190...............should it be the  fw190 A-9??   or a G model........or just simply an A-6 istead of the G

[Babalonian]

Oh and the changes from the D-9 did not only include guns, but also the engine. The D-11, D-12 and D-13 all used the Jumo 213E engine also used in the 152, with a rated altitude of 31,500 ft.

I was refering to the motorcanon, I'll need to look it up, but I don't *think* the D-11 had the motorcanon (20mm*3) that the D-13 had....  the D-11 got an upped engine and removed the cowl pintle guns and had (I would guess "optional") outter wing canons (I believe its noted somewhere that JV44 removed them from their D-11s assigned close escort of the landing and departing 262s).