bomber ammuntion

[colmbo]

do you even know how the ammo was loaded in the bombers?  look it up in youtube then guns were mostly reloaded from the outside, just like in the fighters.


semp

Which bombers had ammo loaded from the outside?  Dang sure wasn't the B-17 or B-24. ALL of the ammo for those aircraft are stored inside the fuselage and in fact it would be impossible to load from "outside" the aircraft.

[Dover]

     I'm trying to picture trying to move an 84lb 50 caliber through the tight confines of a bomber fuselage.  Sounds tough even before you
consider wearing the heavy clothing, flak jacket and oxygen mask.  Add in the different mounts and the ammo and I imagine the fight
might be over by the time you'd finish.

     Of course the 7.92mm would be easier, but still not easy.  I've been learning about WW2 aviation for at least 4 decades and I cannot
remember coming across an account of this being attempted in flight.  It's very possible I have missed something, but it surely didn't
seem to be common.

im not sure about you man but if i was in one and my tail gun got busted up i would do anything to get it working again or if the tail gunner got shot move him and take over the gun myself

this is basic survival i'm for sure the guys in the other spots would not just sit there where they where and be like o crap guess we are dead

not to mension ive been on several flights in game where on guy attacks me and i may not see another for 10 min or more sometimes its a hour later till i have another attacker on longer runs all im asking is if that gun goes down theres a option that may take however long they decide it should to swap guns or ammo to keep the more vital weapon positions working

[VonMessa]

Learning to shoot accurately with the stable gun platform armed with six gun positions in a three ship formation that has all of the eighteen weapons slaved together giving the opportunity to put ordinance down-range resulting in a minimum of six guns being trained on , and firing at the target at any given time in a Death Star-esque fashion is much easier than spending time writing code for this request when there are many more important things to fix or add to the game.

[Dover]

Learning to shoot accurately with the stable gun platform armed with six gun positions in a three ship formation that has all of the eighteen weapons slaved together giving the opportunity to put ordinance down-range resulting in a minimum of six guns being trained on , and firing at the target at any given time in a Death Star-esque fashion is much easier than spending time writing code for this request when there are many more important things to fix or add to the game.

hard to code lol
if they did this as a object which i would imagine they do you can simply set a protected variant allowing when whatever command transfer ammo comes move from X gun to Y gun Z amount of ammo
it would be like maybe 20 lines of code
even a EE can do that

[VonMessa]

hard to code lol
if they did this as a object which i would imagine they do you can simply set a protected variant allowing when whatever command transfer ammo comes move from X gun to Y gun Z amount of ammo
it would be like maybe 20 lines of code
even a EE can do that

I never claimed that it was hard to code.

I said that learning to shoot and kill the target is easier and consumes less time than coding anything at all.

Take a ride with, or fly next to 999000 or ThunderEgg some time and you will learn all you ever need to know.

[Dover]

I never claimed that it was hard to code.

I said that learning to shoot and kill the target is easier and consumes less time than coding anything at all.

Take a ride with, or fly next to 999000 or ThunderEgg some time and you will learn all you ever need to know.

I/m just fine at shooting guys down
don't get me wrong i give props to those guys
but when your one set of bombers and you have say 4 163s or a cloud of other fighters behind you even those guys are going to run out of ammo

[thndregg]

but when your one set of bombers and you have say 4 163s or a cloud of other fighters behind you even those guys are going to run out of ammo

With that in mind, if I were to choose to go it alone to such dangerous territory as HQ next to a 163 base, my first action would be to get all the altitude I could get, not that it would really help against such a fast rocket plane, but it's something. Secondly, if it is possible to skirt radar rings, do it. Foolhearty to begin with, but I would go high, fast, and evasive whenever possible.

But, realistically, whenever I go for an HQ run, it's always in the form of a mission of many flights. Better chances, better gunnery protection.

[VonMessa]

With that in mind, if I were to choose to go it alone to such dangerous territory as HQ next to a 163 base, my first action would be to get all the altitude I could get, not that it would really help against such a fast rocket plane, but it's something. Secondly, if it is possible to skirt radar rings, do it. Foolhearty to begin with, but I would go high, fast, and evasive whenever possible.

But, realistically, whenever I go for an HQ run, it's always in the form of a mission of many flights. Better chances, better gunnery protection.

Also, keep a tight formation so the fields of fire overlap.  Even the best bomber-killer squads (in the off-chance that you come up against one, as it will be more likely s piecemeal attack as the calls go out on country channel) will be hard-pressed to not get torn up by the buff guns.

In addition, like ThunderEgg said.  GET ALT for strat/HQ runs.  30k is a good place to be since there are only four planes that I can think of that can handle well at those alts.

TA-152
P47-M
Spitfire Mk. XIV
ME-163 (being the only one that can get to that alt in anything resembling a hurry)

[guncrasher]

Which bombers had ammo loaded from the outside?  Dang sure wasn't the B-17 or B-24. ALL of the ammo for those aircraft are stored inside the fuselage and in fact it would be impossible to load from "outside" the aircraft.

there's a pic that more or less tells you how.  please remember that the ball turret had a very small opening for where the gunner would get in and it sure as hell wasnt enough to bring the ammo to load both guns.

http://ships.bouwman.com/B17/Chin.html#Loading


there's a film on youtube that shows exactly how they loaded the different turrets.   specially the tail and the ball turret.  they would remove several parts move the ammo containers then put everything back together.  I dont feel like looking for the youtube video again.  but if it was on another Move the ammo wish on this forum about 4 or 5 months back.


semp

[colmbo]

there's a pic that more or less tells you how.  please remember that the ball turret had a very small opening for where the gunner would get in and it sure as hell wasnt enough to bring the ammo to load both guns.

I've been in a ball turret while in flight.  I know exactly what they are like.  The ammo for the ball is not stored in the turret, it is stored inside the fuselage. Same as ALL the guns on the B-17 and B-24.  ALL ammo is inside the fuselage.  It is NOT possible to load it from the outside.

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[guncrasher]

I've been in a ball turret while in flight.  I know exactly what they are like.  The ammo for the ball is not stored in the turret, it is stored inside the fuselage. Same as ALL the guns on the B-17 and B-24.  ALL ammo is inside the fuselage.  It is NOT possible to load it from the outside.

of course it's all stored in the inside.  my comment was in a reference to transferring ammo from one position to another.  it cant be done unless you are on the outside helping with it.  but if you insist i would love to hear from you how you can transfer the ammo to the turrets from other positions from the inside.  and since you have been in a b17 i am pretty sure you know how roomy it was.  specially with all the bombs inside the fuselage.


semp

[kvuo75]

and since you have been in a b17 i am pretty sure you know how roomy it was.  specially with all the bombs inside the fuselage.


semp

as colmbo actually flies the fricking things, I wont speak for him, I'll just add that as a one time passenger on a a b17g (EAA's "aluminum overcast"), behind the bomb bay its' actually quite roomy.  the bomb bay itself is the only really tight area on the plane, and it's only about 4 feet  long as I remember, but very narrow, but my fat arse fit thru even.


ahha my vid of travelling from bombardier to waist guns in flight with other passengers on board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcx89bz_8aY

[guncrasher]

as colmbo actually flies the fricking things, I wont speak for him, I'll just add that as a one time passenger on a a b17g (EAA's "aluminum overcast"), behind the bomb bay its' actually quite roomy.  the bomb bay itself is the only really tight area on the plane, and it's only about 4 feet  long as I remember, but very narrow, but my fat arse fit thru even.


ahha my vid of travelling from bombardier to waist guns in flight with other passengers on board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcx89bz_8aY

i believe that but I would like to see the video of the ammo being loaded without help from the outside.


semp

[colmbo]

it cant be done unless you are on the outside helping with it. 

Wow.   The only thing that "can't" be done is doing anything with the ammo while outside of the aircraft.  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.  There is no access to the ammo, ammo box or feed trays from outside of the aircraft.  ALL of the ammo can be accessed while inside of the airplane, in fact that is the only way to access the ammo.

[Shuffler]

Loading from the outside??? Maybe they are referring to my bomber of choice.... the B-38