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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 11:59:04 PM »

La-7? :)

Sure a La-7 turns a tab tighter in a turn fight with full flaps down, then again how many La-7's actually have dropped flaps in a fight? It's been at least 6 months since I seen it.

Lusche, not every veteran pilot flies an La-7, you can safety bet most won't know the La-7 eventually out turns a Spit14, and with flaps down murder a spit 14.

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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 12:45:34 AM »
You seriously can't make 10 perks?

Would you agree to perk the D9 then? :)

The Spit XIV was in combat a lot longer then the D9.  Seems interesting that one is 'free' but the Spit 14 isn't.

Only seems fair they both aren't wouldn't you say?
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2012, 02:32:46 AM »
Would you agree to perk the D9 then? :)

The Spit XIV was in combat a lot longer then the D9.  Seems interesting that one is 'free' but the Spit 14 isn't.

Only seems fair they both aren't wouldn't you say?
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 04:45:46 AM »
if it were significantly faster then some of the unperked rides - then it makes sense to keep it perked - but it is not faster.  When you punch it the numbers into Gonzo, the fighter comparison, you find out that the K4 and LA7 are faster, the k4 climbs better (with longer wep too), the LA7 out turns it by a fair bit (and remains stable in a tight turn while the spit14 becomes really uncontrollable), the La7 out accelerates it, and out guns it.

LA7 is better then the spit in almost every way except sheer climb.  And if people feel the hispanos are nice, then i would contend that the cowl mounted 3xcannon of the LA7 is still superior even if it is not effective at 800 (like shots at those distances are not desperation <please break> shots anyway).  

Add to that the god awful fuel consumption even when throttled down. . .(I can get a K4 to go very very far, the LA7 less so but very far, the spit 14. . .nowhere near as far even with the slipper).

to me it feels like a good 5 eny plane, and not worth the perk risk at all - if I wanted to spend perks on a prop plane, the U4 (truly the best prop plane in the game) or the tempest (unmatched speed and firepower) are truly deserving of a perk. . .the spit 14, no way.

And yes, the K4 eny is too high - i think most of us would agree with that.  

With the dora, the 14 out climbs, out turns and out accelerates it - but the dora has much more docile handling, 10mins of wep, retains e better, and bucket full of ammo. . .

comparisons aside, a spit 14 just adds another plane into the top speed demon matrix (51, dora, la7, k4) and gives another choice to those runner types.  Will it dominate? Yes. More then the La7 or 51? No.

Add to that the really flat spinny, uncontrollable characteristics (a cornered or hard fighting 14 is just as likely to auger as be shot down) of the package and after the initial high use, it will become like the 152. . .and people will go back to the superior 16 like they did the dora - because it is a better plane unless you use it as a bnz/e fighter exclusively.

To put it another way, when I pass a spit on the merge and i see 'spit14' I don't really fear it. . .when I see spit16, I am much more guarded because that 16 can turn right around and smack you (and give you little or no time to regain/build e) whereas the 14 will either go up (giving me time), or keep going (again giving me time).

in the end, I just don't see how the 14 is perked, while the LA7 (the dora and k4 have drawbacks <turn/acceleration and the tater respectively>) is not. Or the 51D that can carry 2k ords and after it drops it magically transforms into a speed demon dog fighter either for that matter.  It makes no sense to me.  And in a close, low e dogfight, I would rather be in a 51 then a 14 in most cases since with good flap work I can work the 51 around while the spit14 pilot is fighting the plane.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 05:14:12 AM by Ruah »

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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 04:46:29 AM »
double post - hit quote instead of modify - sorry

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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2012, 08:14:29 AM »
Would you agree to perk the D9 then? :)

The Spit XIV was in combat a lot longer then the D9.  Seems interesting that one is 'free' but the Spit 14 isn't.

Only seems fair they both aren't wouldn't you say?

I would agree to perk the D9 to 5 perks and put the Spit14 down to 5 eny.

My Reasoning is game play:
The D9 outruns most planes in the game on wep and has pretty hard hitting firepower.

The spit14 is just a boosted spit only at alts above 15k, below its nothing special but a little faster spitfire.

Given the usual alts in aces high being below 15k, it renders the Spit14 useless as the Ta-152, if the Ta-152 is 10eny now - I can see the spit14 being 5 eny.

The P-51 is a null for me, fact it can't turn and its gunpackage is only 6x 50s - only thing it can do is run - I see it saying 5 eny.

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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 09:01:01 AM »
The post above me is correct but the spit XIV performs badly between 16k and 22k.

Above that, it comes alive and I would not be worried about meeting a ta152 or a jug at 41,000 feet.
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2012, 09:33:39 AM »
The Spit XIV was in combat a lot longer then the D9.  Seems interesting that one is 'free' but the Spit 14 isn't.

Perking has nothing to do with how long something was in combat in the real war.
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2012, 10:07:41 AM »
Perks are used for controlling MA gameplay balance.

And with hat in mind, this is how the Spit 14 compared to all other fighters in 2011:




As a side note, the perked (and thus keeping 2 weekers out) Spit 14 has about the same K/D as the ultimate noob & sucide pork plane, the P-51 with it's 33 x more usage...  :old:
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2012, 12:47:24 PM »
Perking has nothing to do with how long something was in combat in the real war.

I get that part  :). Based on performance however, I'm not sure why the 14 is perked and the D9 isn't.  I'm not suggesting perking the D9 either.  I do think it's time to free up the 14.
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2012, 01:57:11 PM »
I don't see the logic in perking the dora, the La7 3xcannon package maby, but the dora. . .no.  but that is my opinion.

The spit 14 perk makes 0 sense however, and I think it would make a fine addition to the regular plane set. 

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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2012, 02:08:28 PM »
Sure a La-7 turns a tab tighter in a turn fight with full flaps down, then again how many La-7's actually have dropped flaps in a fight? It's been at least 6 months since I seen it.





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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2012, 03:09:19 PM »
I get that part  :). Based on performance however, I'm not sure why the 14 is perked and the D9 isn't.  I'm not suggesting perking the D9 either.  I do think it's time to free up the 14.

Maybe we should try those planes? I'm sure that it doesn't really matter who of us flies which plane. It is really hard for the Dora to shoot down a properfly flown 14 and if the Dora is wise it'll keep its speed up and is very careful.

For the record, I do think that 14 should be un perked. And I have a hunch of a problem in the flight model but as it is justa hunch which I can't prove I won't say anything further about it...yet.
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2012, 03:16:59 PM »
The Spit14 just feels clunky - I don't know how to describe it other than that. It's not fluid and smooth like it's counterparts.
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Re: Unperk the spit14
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2012, 03:26:39 PM »
Lusche since when did the Ta152H drop from 5ENY to 10 ENY?
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