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Offline colmbo

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Re: How was CG balancing handled in WW2 aircraft?
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2012, 02:35:18 PM »
Now when a pilot does weight and balance calculations, we use arms and weights to determine the moment, (Weight x Arm = Moment) which we then verify is (the moment) within CG limits. I have always been curious if arms, and the whole idea of the moment of the aircraft was used in WWII times.

Does anyone know?

Of course it was, how else would you figure W&B?

For the B-24, and probably many other aircraft of that era, they used a slide rule to do the W&B calculations.
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Re: How was CG balancing handled in WW2 aircraft?
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2012, 02:38:27 PM »
Of course trim can be used in these kind of situations. I've read that a single adult person moving through the passenger compartment of DC-3 can be felt in the controls.

On my 182 I could trim for level flight and simply leaning forward in the seat would start the nose down.  Old skydiver trick is to let the pilot get trimmed in the climb then gently move slightly forward or aft requiring him to retrim.  Once the pilot has retrimmed trimmed you move opposite the first move, repeat until he yells at you to hold the frack still.



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Re: How was CG balancing handled in WW2 aircraft?
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2012, 10:12:03 PM »
Incorrect.  If there is a change in the C of G there will be need for a trim change. 

Yes in order to relive stick pressure, the way the aircraft performs however will not change. For example if the airplane is unstable due to CG trim will not help.
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Re: How was CG balancing handled in WW2 aircraft?
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2012, 09:46:21 AM »
CIGAR and FTP are 2 mnemonics I was taught for pre takeoff check list on small aircraft that you have flow a lot.

CIGAR is before taking runway.
Controls
Instruments
Gas
Avionics
Runnup.

FTP  After or During taking runway.
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Transponder
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Re: How was CG balancing handled in WW2 aircraft?
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2012, 01:02:19 PM »
CIGAR and FTP are 2 mnemonics I was taught for pre takeoff check list on small aircraft that you have flow a lot.

CIGAR is before taking runway.
Controls
Instruments
Gas
Avionics
Runnup.

FTP  After or During taking runway.
Flaps
Transponder
Pump

HiTech



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Re: How was CG balancing handled in WW2 aircraft?
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2012, 04:39:32 PM »
Of course trim can be used in these kind of situations. I've read that a single adult person moving through the passenger compartment of DC-3 can be felt in the controls.


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