Hunting and fishing thread

[Melvin]

nrshida just stop.


I've invited Ink to camp, he refused.

You are always welcome at camp too. Perhaps if you had a first hand take on the subject your mind would clear up.


EDIT: We're not a bunch of murderous cowards. Most of the guys at camp could put wild kingdom to shame in regards to knowledge of Mother Nature and the species of the northwoods.


Dying is part of life.


EDIT2: We take the business of killing very seriously. Yahoos are culled out quickly.

EDIT3: I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm a firm believer in conservation. Hunting is required in order to keep the balance. It's gone on for millenia, and shouldn't stop.

[nrshida]

I'm not anti hunting as long as it is sustainable and there are preservations where you may not do it. You lot are so entrenched in defending it you can't perceive when the discussion is neither in the pro or anti camp, but addressing something much wider.

Yes I would love to come to your camp one day Bill. Are you also an archer?

[Melvin]

I haven't drawn a bow since I was 16.

I wounded a deer.


I never drew a bow again due to the shame I felt. (And still feel)


Like my Pops told me. "Your game is giving all it's got."

I don't trust my ability with a bow and arrow to make a clean kill.

A rifle or shotgun is a different story.


EDIT: It was hard to look in that Doe's eyes as I cut her. She kicked the crap out of me as my buddy and I dragged her to the truck. Her fawns watched from the treeline. It was a real Bambi moment.

She tasted good though.

[Melvin]

Here's the story:


We were throwing a party at a friend's camp. We had a half barrel of beer, plenty of smoke and a whole harem of fly honeys coming to hang out.

My buddy and I were tasked with bringing meat.

We cruised around until we saw a fat doe standing in a field. I thwacked her with a broadhead low and rear. She ran for about 100 yds and fell down. My partner then put 5 .22 rounds in her head. We thought it was over, and started dragging.


Friggin doe came to life and went ape toejame.

I stuck her in the neck.

Covered my favorite jeans in blood.


It was the lowest point in my life. Very few people knew that story until now.


We quartered her out, took the straps and neck roast. Left the head, guts and hide for the predators.

We cooked her over an open fire, got drunk, stoned and laid.


I'm ashamed of myself to this day.




EDIT: Hunting is a sacred tradition, passed down through generations of my family. I broke that bond the day I did that.


EDIT: Dammit, I'm so ashamed I could cry right now.

EDIT: My opinion means nothing. I have no more to say on this matter.

[Rich52]

I Love these Sat. night posts one reads on Sunday morning. I wonder what the average blood alchohol % is on a Sat. night in Aces High.

Shida I have no idea WTF you are blathering about. "Preserves" are meant for complete animal protection, tho even they dont normally keep the poachers out. lotsa luck with your Communist economic agenda to keep humanity in balance. Maybe we should put the United Nations in charge of everything.

[dunnrite]

Gents this has gone a tad off topic.
If you wish to discuss hunting, take it to the O Club.

HiTech

Which is exactly what Rich52 did.  Yet, the holier than thou communistic utopia geniuses can't seem to not click on a thread with a title that clearly states what's in it. 

Run along now, somewhere there's a kitten that needs saving..oh wait, my dog killed it last night and didn't eat it, I have to go string her up now

[nrshida]

Lol, you fellas are like little tape machines that play the appropriate soundbite when certain buttons get pushed. The nature of conversation is to wander around a starting point of discussion, but discussion seems forbidden here.

So fragile is it that you cannot even bear discussion of the subject?

By all means continue hacking away applying abstract economic laws and processes to ALL OF the natural systems and resources of this planet and letting market forces dictate everything and see where that gets you.

Carry on.

[Shuffler]

Lol, you fellas are like little tape machines that play the appropriate soundbite when certain buttons get pushed. The nature of conversation is to wander around a starting point of discussion, but discussion seems forbidden here.

So fragile is it that you cannot even bear discussion of the subject?

By all means continue hacking away applying abstract economic laws and processes to ALL OF the natural systems and resources of this planet and letting market forces dictate everything and see where that gets you.

Carry on.

Odd but that is exactly what I got from your posts.

[nrshida]

Odd but that is exactly what I got from your posts.

I gathered you didn't want to get anything.

[Shuffler]

I gathered you didn't want to get anything.

No I just noted that you didn't get anything.

The cheetah for one. Your idea would assure the extinction of the cheetah. They first will kill the young of most every animal in their area. Then they will feast on the adults. Soon they have no food source and they die of starvation..... or leave their area and feed on you and yours.

What is being done at this point is the best we, as a people, have come up with. It is not set in stone. It ebbs and flows as needed to adjust for shortcomings or new knowledge of the animal. It is all based on a science which is not exact.

If you have any ideas which you think may be better, well then pass them through here. When you do though, you should listen to what other folks have to say even if they disagree. Some have different ideas from yours. Some from their ideas on the subject and some from personal experience on the subject.

You should not just wave off anything said that disagrees with what you're saying. If you do it would make you very one sided and lacking in perspective.

[Melvin]

I Love these Sat. night posts one reads on Sunday morning. I wonder what the average blood alchohol % is on a Sat. night in Aces High.

Oh man, you ain't kidding. 


While it was quite an unfortunate incident, perhaps it wasn't the "lowest point in my life".


The kids were sleeping over at friends, so the Wife and I went out for dinner and dancing. By 0600 I was mentally retarded.

[Rich52]

The cheetahs will nver get the chance. The Locals kill them off like vermin cause they are taking food out of THEIR mouths and money away from THEIR kids education. Sure they will survive in NTL parks but they are few, excess animals are culled, and the ones who wander off to seek new territory will be shot like rats. All cause the Walt Disney reject crowd had a bright idea to get a law passed banning legal hide importation by sport hunters. Now if that cheetah is worth $5,000 to that land owner they wont care if it eats its share of gazelles. It now has a dollar value and thus will be protected and encouraged.

But I guess its more important to hang an "endangered" sign on a zoo cage and be politically correct instead of letting scientific wildlife managment work. And it is a pretty exact science and it does work very well. There are rich hunters who will pay $50,000 to take a Bull elephant thats at the end of its life anyways. Now you think that Tribal chief is going to allow poachers to kill that animal and take the money out of the mouth of his people?

Shida with wildlife money talks and BS walks. Unfortunatly you only have the 2nd, and even worse, have absolutly no clue what your talking about.

African Eland. The absolute best tasting animal Ive ever 'et. Domestic or wild. All 2000 lbs worth. What a day that was. The herd was with a huge herd of zebra and we had to stalk all day long to finally get the shot. Must have been 200 to 300 animals 600 lbs or more and they shook the earth when they ran.

[nrshida]

The cheetah for one. Your idea would assure the extinction of the cheetah. They first will kill the young of most every animal in their area. Then they will feast on the adults. Soon they have no food source and they die of starvation..... or leave their area and feed on you and yours.

Only if the preserve wasn't large enough. My suggestion was to allow sufficient room for nature to find its own balance again. There is a reason for instance why the Cheetah typically does not eat all of its kill.

If you have any ideas which you think may be better, well then pass them through here. When you do though, you should listen to what other folks have to say even if they disagree. Some have different ideas from yours. Some from their ideas on the subject and some from personal experience on the subject.

You should not just wave off anything said that disagrees with what you're saying. If you do it would make you very one sided and lacking in perspective.

Yes you are right, some people bring out the worst in me. I must work on that. Not really worth it Shuffler, I really don't think an open or creative discussion is wanted here. But thanks for actually taking the time and energy to explain. I will consider and assimilate what you said.

Shida with wildlife money talks and BS walks. Unfortunatly you only have the 2nd, and even worse, have absolutly no clue what your talking about.

It isn't BS, it just doesn't fit into you rigid frame of reference. You haven't listened to anything which doesn't conform to your subjective or experiential view, just looked for oppotunities to dismiss immediately because you know better.

[Shuffler]

Yes you are right, some people bring out the worst in me. I must work on that. Not really worth it Shuffler, I really don't think an open or creative discussion is wanted here. But thanks for actually taking the time and energy to explain. I will consider and assimilate what you said.

Well... on the flip side, your not the only one on these boards that happens to. Myself included of course. 

[ink]

nrshida just stop.


I've invited Ink to camp, he refused.

...

I didn't refuse...it's just not possible, I am sure it would be a blast

I am certainly not worried about getting dirty