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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2012, 01:17:08 PM »
Rich, I think you make some great points, but BigB hit the nail on the head.

Personally, my biggest fear is sitting idle, never doing anything in my life that's worthwhile or noteable. I think about the thousands of dollars I have dumped into aviaton for example (and I only have my PPL!), with no return on my "investment" other than making myself more proficient at my hobby. Some things you just can't put a price on.
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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2012, 01:36:17 PM »
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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2012, 02:37:59 PM »
Rich, I think you make some great points, but BigB hit the nail on the head.

Personally, my biggest fear is sitting idle, never doing anything in my life that's worthwhile or noteable. I think about the thousands of dollars I have dumped into aviaton for example (and I only have my PPL!), with no return on my "investment" other than making myself more proficient at my hobby. Some things you just can't put a price on.

Agreed I would rather die doing something, be it having fun or doing something worthwhile then turn into a vegetable and watch TV all day.

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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2012, 05:24:27 PM »
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I don't consider sex a waste despite the fact it's been done before. Is that a waste of effort to you too?

Theres a useful analogy. Thanks for chirping in.

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Personally, my biggest fear is sitting idle, never doing anything in my life that's worthwhile or noteable. I think about the thousands of dollars I have dumped into aviaton for example (and I only have my PPL!), with no return on my "investment" other than making myself more proficient at my hobby. Some things you just can't put a price on.


The difference being you are doing something you have control over and is not unduly hazardous, as in "suicidal". I really dont see how you can compare that with spending 80g, 10g of which is greasing some Chinese Politicians hand, to climb some mountain where the odds are good your either going to end up as a popscicle forever, or, at the least with a lot fewer toes or fingers.

Ive hunted in dangerous game territory. Be it snake, croc, Hippo, cat, Bear, Elephant, Rhino, whatever. If I see one I leave it the frack alone and enjoy it from a distance. The car chases, fights, and shootouts, were from a life I chose and did to protect my fellow citizens. The truly scarey ones were the fires I had to go in to get people out. One was a 6yo girl I couldnt get to and almost couldnt get out myself. The fires I had no control over and scared the bejeezuz out of me but I went in anyway. I didnt do it cause I "wanted to" thats for sure. I once had to watch a father execute his two grownup sons cause we couldnt get close enough to get a shot at him. Once locked up a guy on X-mas eve 1992 for beating his little daughter to death. You see I have found life to be precious and not to be thrown away flippantly.

I really couldnt imagine doing any of that again if I didnt "have to". Tho I suppose at least I got paid for it instead of paying for the thrill . Its always a thrill until something goes wrong and then when your looking thru that looking glass its stops being a thrill anymore.

How many of those climbers do you think are truly ready for such a test? That mountain has killed the best ever and its not even the worst. Some of these mountains have a death rate as high as 38%. That means you have a 38% chance of dieing a terrible death just by trying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander  No doubt Everest's would be much higher if there wasnt a human line of exploited thrill seekers in front and in back of you.

Would you go up in that plane if there was a 22% to 38% chance of it crashing? Now thats a usefull analogy.
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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2012, 06:14:34 PM »
I nominate Rich52 for the position of "Most Interesting Man In The World".

His lectures regarding life and death should be passed along for generations to come.

The rest of you ignorant fools know nothing of the intricacies and ironies that this life has in store for you.


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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2012, 06:39:50 PM »
Theres a useful analogy. Thanks for chirping in.
 

The difference being you are doing something you have control over and is not unduly hazardous, as in "suicidal". I really dont see how you can compare that with spending 80g, 10g of which is greasing some Chinese Politicians hand, to climb some mountain where the odds are good your either going to end up as a popscicle forever, or, at the least with a lot fewer toes or fingers.

Ive hunted in dangerous game territory. Be it snake, croc, Hippo, cat, Bear, Elephant, Rhino, whatever. If I see one I leave it the frack alone and enjoy it from a distance. The car chases, fights, and shootouts, were from a life I chose and did to protect my fellow citizens. The truly scarey ones were the fires I had to go in to get people out. One was a 6yo girl I couldnt get to and almost couldnt get out myself. The fires I had no control over and scared the bejeezuz out of me but I went in anyway. I didnt do it cause I "wanted to" thats for sure. I once had to watch a father execute his two grownup sons cause we couldnt get close enough to get a shot at him. Once locked up a guy on X-mas eve 1992 for beating his little daughter to death. You see I have found life to be precious and not to be thrown away flippantly.

I really couldnt imagine doing any of that again if I didnt "have to". Tho I suppose at least I got paid for it instead of paying for the thrill . Its always a thrill until something goes wrong and then when your looking thru that looking glass its stops being a thrill anymore.

How many of those climbers do you think are truly ready for such a test? That mountain has killed the best ever and its not even the worst. Some of these mountains have a death rate as high as 38%. That means you have a 38% chance of dieing a terrible death just by trying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander  No doubt Everest's would be much higher if there wasnt a human line of exploited thrill seekers in front and in back of you.

Would you go up in that plane if there was a 22% to 38% chance of it crashing? Now thats a usefull analogy.

I wonder if these people know they have a roughly 1 in 3 chance of dieing on the mountain. I have a hard time believing they know.     I know a man that lost his finger tips and his toes climbing mt everest i am going to ask him if he knew the danger....

and the sex analogy lacks the 1 in 3 of dieing ...
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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 06:48:05 PM »
My initial response to the OP was, "Meh, I can't really muster any sympathy for the climbers. After all, they damn well better have known what the undertaking included."


That's pretty much how I still feel.

People do wacky crap all the time and sometimes they don't get away with it. These folks walked up that mountain of their own free will.


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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2012, 07:07:34 PM »
Gee Mel, nice to finally meet you. :huh


I nominate Rich52 for the position of "Most Interesting Man In The World".

His lectures regarding life and death should be passed along for generations to come.

The rest of you ignorant fools know nothing of the intricacies and ironies that this life has in store for you.


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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2012, 07:09:03 PM »
If people had Richie's attitude we wouldn't have put a man on the moon, let alone space.  The Wright Brothers would have never built their plane and Christopher Columbus wouldn't have sailed off to find the New World.

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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2012, 08:56:44 PM »
If people had Richie's attitude we wouldn't have put a man on the moon, let alone space.  The Wright Brothers would have never built their plane and Christopher Columbus wouldn't have sailed off to find the New World.

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Hit the nail on the head. Life is about risks, the risks I would take are different from nearly everyone elses here . How we calculate risks is different some look at danger statistics others look at reward. Also how we measure reward is different from person.

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Re: four die on Mt. Everest
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2012, 09:21:42 PM »
Theres a useful analogy. Thanks for chirping in.
 

The difference being you are doing something you have control over and is not unduly hazardous, as in "suicidal". I really dont see how you can compare that with spending 80g, 10g of which is greasing some Chinese Politicians hand, to climb some mountain where the odds are good your either going to end up as a popscicle forever, or, at the least with a lot fewer toes or fingers.


merely trying to suggest we all get our "kicks" from different sources.
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