Author Topic: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?  (Read 2800 times)

Offline Randy1

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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2016, 02:50:30 PM »
Doggone we need a big gold star icon.

That does make perfect since FLS.

Often you read post that make the Brits P-38 build choice look like a really dumb idea.  I figured that they had to have a good reason for the Brit build to suit the moment the decision was made.  I just did not know the whys.

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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 12:08:28 AM »
Both the British and French delegations insisted that the Lockheed fighters be equipped with Allison engines without turbosuperchargers and with strictly right-handed rotation. This was because they wanted the engines to be interchangeable with those of the Curtiss H.81A Tomahawk which had been ordered by both Britain and France in great numbers. In addition, the Committee wanted to optimize the aircraft for medium-altitude combat as was currently the dominant mode of aerial warfare in Europe, rather than the high-altitude role for which the P-38 had originally been designed. The Anglo-French delegation was also aware of the problems currently being experienced by the War Department in the delivery of turbosuperchargers, and did not want to run the risk of costly, time-consuming delays since they wanted all the planes delivered in less than a year. It turned out that this decision was particularly unfortunate.

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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 11:44:55 AM »
I am sure they had a good reason.  Anybody know why they would have made this decision?
:airplane: There is no difference in engines running with right hand rotation or left hand rotation, its a matter of setting the timing of the ignition system to make it run which ever way you want it to.
The problem comes with all the "gear'" driven accessories, such as fuel pumps, oil pumps and etc. The "blowers" are not effected because they are exhaust gas driven!
The fuel pump and oil pumps had to be redesigned and produced for the "left" hand rotation, as was generators and other gear driven accessories, so I think that had a big influence on their decision because they want the English manufactured engines, but RR wasn't able to "retool" for the different rotation of accessories, which made delivery of the 38's a lot quicker!
 
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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2016, 11:46:24 AM »
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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2016, 12:42:02 PM »
If R-R wasn't able to retool then how did they make their opposite rotation engines for a/c like the Hornet?


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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2016, 08:25:42 PM »
If R-R wasn't able to retool then how did they make their opposite rotation engines for a/c like the Hornet?
:airplane: You have raised a good point and not sure how RR did what, but making a inline engine run in the direction you want is no big deal, except for the gear driven equipment in the accessory section of the engine. And of course the prop, which I think only had to have the blades rotated 180 degrees on the hub
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Re: Why did the Brits order the P-38s without counter rotating engines?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2016, 11:53:26 PM »
Most of the P-322s ended up at RTU units as trainers. Stan Richardson was an RTU instructor and logged quite a few hours in them. He didn't like them, finding the P-322 notably inferior to the P-38F and G models they later received.
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