a different ENY horse to beat

[Debrody]

The best perk farmers in game have the best eny/value ratio. Everyone knows which are the best perk farming rides.
Taking this idea further... the M-jug is just as fast as the D-pony (even better at alt), has more guns and ammo, turns much better, also has a very long range yet its eny8... sometimes i just cant get it.

Btw Titan, the g6 should be eny20 like a spit9???  wow

[Lusche]

Taking this idea further... the M-jug is just as fast as the D-pony (even better at alt), has more guns and ammo, turns much better, also has a very long range yet its eny8... sometimes i just cant get it.

The Mjug has no ords, which is part of the ENY determination as well, see 110. ENY is not only about air to air combat perk gain, but also a balancing tool via ENY limiter.  Pyro had stated back when the M was introduced, that if they had given it the ability to carry ords, the ENY would have been lower.

BTW... when I put ENY and factual K/D into relation, the actually (in contrast to theoretically) most effective perk farmers seems to be the entire 109 line (well, minus the E-4)...

[titanic3]

The best perk farmers in game have the best eny/value ratio. Everyone knows which are the best perk farming rides.
Taking this idea further... the M-jug is just as fast as the D-pony (even better at alt), has more guns and ammo, turns much better, also has a very long range yet its eny8... sometimes i just cant get it.

Btw Titan, the g6 should be eny20 like a spit9???  wow

I don't know Deb..G6 isnt a crap plane (you know that better than anyone), so I don't know why its ENY is so close to the P39 and P40s. 20.0 just feels right. Reduce the Spit9 to 15.0?

Here's how I think of ENY values

40.0 - EW planes only

30 - Midwar planes

20 - MW and LW planes that can contend with lower ENY planes

10 - LW planes that are good but not excellent fighters

5 - top of the tippity top, flown right, it will outfly everything.

Now this is a very large generalization but you get the idea. Now I know the G6 is a MW plane, but it can compete with some LW planes and outflies almost everything in MW. Hence, why I don't think it should be 30 but 20 instead.

[Lusche]

My own take on the 109 line would be

E4 40
F4 30
G2 25
G6 25
G14 20
K4 15


But in the end, that would hardly have any significant impact on usage, much less on gameplay balance. With differences that small, and at these ENY regions, effects are more theoretically than practical.

[Karnak]

Where would you put the Mosquito Mk VI in your perk farming hierarchy?

[Lusche]

Where would you put the Mosquito Mk VI in your perk farming hierarchy?

Clearly in the better half of it. But then it's just a very rough estimate by multiplying actual arena K/D with ENY to get a P(erk)E(effectiveness) value. For comparison, Spit 16 had a PE of 6, the Mossie 6 one of 27 and the 109s between 29 (F4) and 36 (G6)
 What really is the 'best' perk farmer for each individual player can vary alot from this, as it also depends a lot on fighting style, skill level and familiarity.

[Letalis]

One issue I had was the P-47D40 vs. the 15ENY F6F.  At 20 ENY the -40 has more speed, more ords, more guns, more bullets, better views, better roll, better toughness and better endurance.  Dive is comparable and climb goes to the jug at light weights and higher alts.  The F6F gives you better turn and CV capability.  Advantage D-40.

- I don't think that ENY should be based strictly on performance, it should factor in ord, and versatility; with that factored in the 15ENY Hellcat (and alot of other ENY choices) appears reasonable.
- Agree the 109 family is excellent for perk/value ratio.  Not sure how much ENY factors into usage but it seems the 109 needs to be a high ENY ride to get any kind of real MA representation. I'd definitely put the G2 and G6 at 25 ENY if not lower.
- The 51D is simply the best overall non-perked multi-role fighter in the game.  I'd like to see less 51s in general.  A 2-3 perky cost would allow alot of guys to fly the Pony indefinitely.  That said, to adjust ENY simply because there's "too many of them" probably isn't a good enough argument.   Oh well.

[guncrasher]

Sure it will.  I see the ENY limited at 2 and 3 pretty frequently.  It just doesn't hit 5 very often.

more like talking about eny to get perks.  I dont really care if I get perks/points or not in this game.  I have more than enough to last me for another 10 years and I really dont use them.  I fly the ponyd because i like to have fun with it.  nothing like out turning a plane that shouldn't be out turned but the other guy just got a bit too confident .


semp

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more like talking about eny to get perks.  I dont really care if I get perks/points or not in this game.  I have more than enough to last me for another 10 years and I really dont use them.  I fly the ponyd because i like to have fun with it.  nothing like out turning a plane that shouldn't be out turned but the other guy just got a bit too confident .


semp

 


please

P 51's are for those that want to run away and "stay alive" which it does very well..... ....even the numbers show the game is clearly in over abundance with.

all my time here I have seen maybe 3 guys that actually fight in the 51 semp you aint one of them.

[guncrasher]

please

P 51's are for those that want to run away and "stay alive" which it does very well..... ....even the numbers show the game is clearly in over abundance with.

all my time here I have seen maybe 3 guys that actually fight in the 51 semp you aint one of them.

funny if I wanted to "stay alive" I wouldnt die as often as I do.  as for running away I can say the same for the p47, fw190, 262's and about a good portion of the plane set.


semp

[Karnak]

more like talking about eny to get perks.  I dont really care if I get perks/points or not in this game.  I have more than enough to last me for another 10 years and I really dont use them.  I fly the ponyd because i like to have fun with it.  nothing like out turning a plane that shouldn't be out turned but the other guy just got a bit too confident .


semp

Changing the ENY on something like the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI or La-7 isn't intended as a "You'll earn less perks" measure.  Nobody with any brains flies any of those to earn perks.  It is a "ENY limiting will impact you more often and force you either out of that ride or to change sides" measure.

[A8balls]

Do away with the ENY. 1 point for a kill, 1/2 point for an assist regardless of the plane/vehicle. Make perked rides the same cost for everyone regardless of country or population. After all... no country IRL grounded their best birds because the enemy was out-numbered or out-classed. Just my 2 cents worth.

[Karnak]

Do away with the ENY. 1 point for a kill, 1/2 point for an assist regardless of the plane/vehicle. Make perked rides the same cost for everyone regardless of country or population. After all... no country IRL grounded their best birds because the enemy was out-numbered or out-classed. Just my 2 cents worth.

This is a game and not a war.  ENY was introduced for good reasons, because the community refused to police itself and then because rewards for being on the outnumbered side failed to affect side balance.  ENY needs to be more aggressively applied if anything.

As to the 1 point for a kill in anything of anything, that doesn't at all reflect the challenge of the kill.  You'd reward an La-7 for the easy kill of an I-16 the same as you'd reward the I-16 for the hard kill of an La-7.  That would remove a lot of the incentive to use anything other than the best fighters.

[Letalis]

This is a game and not a war.  ENY was introduced for good reasons, because the community refused to police itself and then because rewards for being on the outnumbered side failed to affect side balance.  ENY needs to be more aggressively applied if anything.

As to the 1 point for a kill in anything of anything, that doesn't at all reflect the challenge of the kill.  You'd reward an La-7 for the easy kill of an I-16 the same as you'd reward the I-16 for the hard kill of an La-7.  That would remove a lot of the incentive to use anything other than the best fighters.

^^QFT.^^  Variety is the spice of AH.  The ENY system is a fabulous concept, just could use some more aggressive scaling IMHO. 

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funny if I wanted to "stay alive" I wouldnt die as often as I do.  as for running away I can say the same for the p47, fw190, 262's and about a good portion of the plane set.


semp

I would say why that is, but it is against the rules.


anytime you feel froggie.... you can show me how awesome the 51 is.

like I said maybe 3 guys really fly the 51 that actually fight in it..... EVERYONE else flies it because it is one of the best runners/Pick planes in game.....

I am revering to the "Fighters" like pand (who is anything but a fighter) not the ground war, I pay no attention to that...