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Offline Slash27

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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2012, 12:51:30 AM »
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2012, 02:35:33 AM »
Ok luftwhiner my pony your 109 DA lets do this.
Thats the spirit!  :aok   however... honestly, Sir, the 109s can easily outfly the pony in 1v1, with nearly equal pilots.
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2012, 05:55:02 AM »
SBD is good in dogfight too. :aok

I once killed an F4U in a SBD in a fair fight 1 v 1. you really can't underestimate anything in this game
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2012, 07:06:23 AM »
Thats the spirit!  :aok   however... honestly, Sir, the 109s can easily outfly the pony in 1v1, with nearly equal pilots.
btw:
Jak9U vs D-stang, havent tryed it, might be fun
Brewster vs a6m3, awesome
109F or G2 vs F6F
Ki-61 vs G6, fun turnfight

I think we did Yak vs 51D didn't we? Or it was me and RedBull. I think Pony won because neither of us flew Yaks and the thing stalls weird.

And I know me and you did Ki-61 vs G6, although it was an MA fight and I had much higher alt. Still came down and we had a blast turn fighting. I barely came out alive with oil and flaps missing. We'll need to do it again when you come back. ;)

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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2012, 08:06:50 AM »
I still think that a p51 can win every match if properly flew.

I had some proof of this vs some f4u-x.

109 can be an easy kill if you mix turn-fight and BZ in a proper way - i'm checking this mode.


The problem is how does the p51 need to be flown  properly?




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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2012, 08:15:23 AM »
I still think that a p51 can win every match if properly flew.

I had some proof of this vs some f4u-x.

109 can be an easy kill if you mix turn-fight and BZ in a proper way - i'm checking this mode.


The problem is how does the p51 need to be flown  properly?




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P51 is going to get owned by just about every 109 except the Emil. And I'll prove it when I duel Wing47.

Hell, I had a fight against Strah's Emil in a P51D and barely won in a turn fight (yea I turn fight in a P51). P51 just cannot handle speeds below 100mph without stalling into the ground.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong if wing47 can kill me in a 109.

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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2012, 08:41:13 AM »
the only option for the P51 against a 109 is try a 300mph+ reversal, and then it is still very risky. Any loss of speed will result in a death :P
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2012, 08:44:13 AM »
Ok luftwhiner my pony your 109 DA lets do this.

You do know you can only "Extend" or in another words run from him for so long? Don't bother using field ack either.
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2012, 08:45:52 AM »
I still think that a p51 can win every match if properly flew.

I had some proof of this vs some f4u-x.

109 can be an easy kill if you mix turn-fight and BZ in a proper way - i'm checking this mode.


The problem is how does the p51 need to be flown  properly?




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The problem is that if the enemy aircraft is flown properly too it becomes a contest between aircraft capabilities, and the Bf109K-4 simply out performs the P-51D.

In your statements it seems you are saying  "If the P-51D has a much better pilot the P-51D will win." which is kind of obvious.
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2012, 10:48:07 AM »
P-51D's are my favorite targets when flying the K-4.  They have nothing to use against the K-4 and even their speed advantage is marginal.
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2012, 11:34:06 AM »
I'm not entirely sure I am flying this aeroplane correctly  :old:




WING47 is an excellent P-51D stick  :salute


  I think maybe you misunderstand what Bigrat said or what he meant,I could be mistaken myself but I bet what Bigrat meant was that the Ki84 has the advantage against any blue plane except the -4 hog.
   I know he's chased me around for countless hours in his hog while I flew an assorted amount of planes and when I was in the Ki84 all I had to do was make him fight me nose up and eventually his hog would do what comes natural and go nose down to the ground... :devil
 So I'm pretty sure he meant that the KI has the advantage.


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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2012, 11:37:32 AM »

  I think maybe you misunderstand what Bigrat said or what he meant,I could be mistaken myself but I bet what Bigrat meant was that the Ki84 has the advantage against any blue plane except the -4 hog.
   I know he's chased me around for countless hours in his hog while I flew an assorted amount of planes and when I was in the Ki84 all I had to do was make him fight me nose up and eventually his hog would do what comes natural and go nose down to the ground... :devil
 So I'm pretty sure he meant that the KI has the advantage.


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Of course, using the P-51's advantage just gets you labeled a "pick and run dweeb"  :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, I am not even that big a fan of the P-51, I prefer Luftwaffe birds myself when it comes to fighters, it's just always comical to me to see all these armchair heroes get so absurdly derisive in their thinly veiled tantrums over being outrun by a Mustang.

It'd be as absurd as telling K4 pilots that using their 30mm is lame.

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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2012, 12:06:59 PM »
P51 is going to get owned by just about every 109 except the Emil.
lol that is exactly what I like them to think when flying in the MA but after one pass they always go home.

Maybe the difference is that with the other 109's you can actually follow them as they go home or to their buddies, can't do that in the Emil.
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2012, 12:13:13 PM »
Of course, using the P-51's advantage just gets you labeled a "pick and run dweeb"  :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, I am not even that big a fan of the P-51, I prefer Luftwaffe birds myself when it comes to fighters, it's just always comical to me to see all these armchair heroes get so absurdly derisive in their thinly veiled tantrums over being outrun by a Mustang.

It'd be as absurd as telling K4 pilots that using their 30mm is lame.

The stereotype from the 51 is because it gets used as a Pick and Run bird 99% of its sorties, typically coming in at 15k over a fight and when any advantage is lost or even a CO-alt merge it runs. Sure 1% of the pilots can actually dog fight in the 51, however how many sorties do you have to fly to find even one pilot willing to dog fight?

Prime example of this was yesterday, was flying around in a Yak-9 and had engaged 4 different P51s, each time when any advantage was lost, shoot to the deck and run, even when I am vastly out numbered - which is great that people are so easily willing to run since it broke it down from 1vs4 to 1vs3, another 51 made a mistake and I took his wing off, other two 51s decided to disengage only because a few friendlies showed up.

It only gets it stereotype because of the massive amount of sorties flown from it, if other birds were flown the same way it would get noticed far more often. You don't typically see a Spit8 or Spit16 pick or run from every fight, usually its looking for a fight - even if its a Trainer at least its trying to dogfight.
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Re: Spit I v 109E
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2012, 01:15:51 PM »
Of course, using the P-51's advantage just gets you labeled a "pick and run dweeb"  :rolleyes
A "pick and run" is just a bad BnZ.  The P-51D can be used for much more aggressive BnZ that does not involve running.
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