Changing of the Guard Frame 1 - What Downdraft?

[Butcher]

I think it was in the Arena message about the downdraft.  Dont hold me to that but I remember reading it somewhere.

This is exactly what we saw as well.

[DrBone1]

 
ARENA SETTINGS:

- Fuel burn 1.0
- Icons (3k)
- 0.3 Ack
- Fighter and Bomber warning range 105,600 (20 miles)
- Tower range set to 105,600
- Haze/fog /full visibility (17 Miles)
- No Dot Dar
- Enemy Collisions On - Friendly Collisions Off
- Formations On
- Killshooter off - Time: 11:00 AM
- Bomber Calibration: Manual


This was the Arena Settings that were emailed to TG with our orders.

I hope you guys had fun we did! 

[Pand]

The Down winds was posted RIGHT before we took off, I can't remember who changed it but it was posted openly about it being changed, I would say 2-5 minutes before take off.
I can't remember if it was you or someone else, frankly I didn't pay much attention - I only asked on country if it was an ALT cap and no CIC/etc answered about it.

All I remember it said "Downwinds 25k", in Blue color or maybe orange lettering from the server side.

I must have missed this completely, but that may have been due to coordinating the squad and briefing before takeoff.  Apparently everyone else saw the last minute change---- I didn't... and we all died because of it.  Up against TG we likely would have all died anyway

Sorry for my lack of attention guys.  

Settings mailed to us that were accurate up until a few minutes before takeoff:
<sup>Scoring and Arena Settings
Scoring:
All fighter aircraft and single engined bombers = 5 pts
All twin engined bombers=15 pts
Vehicle Hangar = 25 pts
Fighter Hangar = 25 pts
Bomber Hangar = 25 pts
All other base structures gun positions and strat buildings 2 pts
each
Destroyers= 30 pts
Cruisers= 50 pts
Safe landing bonus 5 points per plane.
Arena Settings:
- New Britain Map
- Fuel burn 1.0
- Icons (3k)
- 0.3 Ack
- Fighter and Bomber warning range 105,600 (20 miles)
- Tower range set to 105,600
- Haze/fog /full visibility (17 Miles)
- No Dot Dar
- Enemy Collisions On - Friendly Collisions Off
- Killshooter off - Time: 11:00 AM
--Air Starts at 24K
- Bomber Calibration: Manual
-Winds: Down Draft at 25K</sup>

[Pand]

Accidental repost.

[Butcher]

I must have missed this completely, but that may have been due to coordinating the squad and briefing before takeoff.  Apparently everyone else saw the last minute change---- I didn't... and we all died because of it.

Sorry for my lack of attention guys.  

Settings mailed to us that were accurate up until a few minutes before takeoff:

-Winds: Down Draft at 25K[/sup]

This does not mean anything, normally its written in the rules like this:
Restrictions:
ALT cap of 25k until enemy is spotted.

If this was what was suppose to happen it was clearly missed, I usually see downwinds as nothing more then not allowing someone to fly at 40k if they wanted, as I said we were extremely limited to 30k and barely 300mph.
Then again you guys got royally boned thinking it was a restriction or we simply didn't have it in our orders.

[Shifty]

Shifty, In the orders I received from CiC it showed a downdraft at 25K.   It was a direct copy/paste in my OP.

Obviously there was some confusion in the orders sent out across Axis and Allies.

I was told last week downdrafts were showing along with airstarts. I cleared them out last week before I wrote the objectives and not really sure how they got in in  the first place. This was not in my original writeup. Hell this map doesn't even have a place for airstarts.  
Either Viper or Warloc asked me about it again last week I checked again and the writeup was showing as it was this evening. I wondered why they asked, and was certain the writeup was correct after  visually reading and checking it again. Its entirely possible I screwed something up and it is actually showing different rules on different front ends for some reason. My best guess is browser refreshing may cause two different sets of results. No matter what the reason it is my setup and the fault lies with me and I apologize for the confusion and appreciate your position on it. I would like to say though both Viper and Warloc did outstanding jobs as CICs and this has nothing to do with their actions.

[Pand]

This does not mean anything, normally its written in the rules like this:
Restrictions:
ALT cap of 25k until enemy is spotted.

If this was what was suppose to happen it was clearly missed, I usually see downwinds as nothing more then not allowing someone to fly at 40k if they wanted, as I said we were extremely limited to 30k and barely 300mph.
Then again you guys got royally boned thinking it was a restriction or we simply didn't have it in our orders.

TG did nothing wrong!  You followed the orders you were given, and saw the last minute change that I missed.  <S>

[Viper61]

AXIS CIC here concerning the down draft issue and what I think may have happened:

I provided the orders to the AXIS side and my last slide listed the Arena and Scoring settings.  On Sunday 30 Jun 12 when I did my "Cut and Paste" from the Special Events page it stated "Winds: Down Draft at 25K" in the last line where it clearly states "Winds Calm" now.  I issued my orders on Sunday night and never went back to check.

And the line "Air Starts at 24K" followed the Killshotter line.  Which has now been removed as well.  This of course had no effect in the game.

I issued guidance to my Strike Packages to use the Down Draft to their advantage if they could which many tried from the sounds of it.

Seems like a simple mistake where a change was made to the Web Site Page after the Task Ords went out for planning.  And when the changes were made no communication was sent out to the CIC's.

I echo the statements of many here we love what the CM's do in their thankless no paid positions.  Me included.  Lesson learned is probably better communications when changes are made.  And likewise as the CIC I should have confirmed the settings about 24 hours out.

[Pand]

I was told last week downdrafts were showing along with airstarts. I cleared them out last week before I wrote the objectives and not really sure how they got in in  the first place. This was not in my original writeup. Hell this map doesn;t even have a place for airstarts.  
Either Viper or Warloc asked me about it again last week I checked again and the writeup was showing as it was this evening. I wondered why they asked, and was certain the write was correct after checking it again. Its entirely possible I screwed something up and it is actually showing different rules on different front ends for some reason. My best guess is browser refreshing may cause two different sets of results. No matter what the reason it is my setup and the fault lies with me and I apologize for the confusion and appreciate your position on it. I would like to say though both Viper and Warloc did outstanding jobs as CICs and this has nothing to do with their actions.

Again, as referenced in my OP, thanks again for all that you guys do!   It is just my frustration and disappointment to see my team get smeared due to different orders and last minute changes.  At least it was realistic, we definitely felt the way I imagine the axis did!  

[Pand]

I echo the statements of many here we love what the CM's do in their thankless no paid positions.  Me included.  Lesson learned is probably better communications when changes are made.  And likewise as the CIC I should have confirmed the settings about 24 hours out.

I will also comment that your writeup and presentation of the data was fantastic.  It was a great read and very educational that provided direction that we could share with our squadrons.  Thanks for taking the time to put all that stuff together. <S>