Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments

[Shifty]

You mean possum because you cant afford a puppy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo10WRKsLJ4

Exactly. 

[perdue3]

You mean possum because you cant afford a puppy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo10WRKsLJ4

Trying.....hard.....not.....t o......correct.....him.....

[Devil 505]

You mean possum because you cant afford a puppy?

No-no-no-no, there are two "O"s in opossum. 

[surfinn]

The FM-2 started service in October 1944

The Fm2 (martlet mk4) started service in late 1942 low numbers, early 1943 in mass in both the euro and pacific theaters. So use something diff than wiki for your fact finding.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=89

[Shifty]

The Fm2 (martlet mk4) started service in late 1942 low numbers, early 1943 in mass in both the euro and pacific theaters. So use something diff than wiki for your fact finding.

Actually the first FM-2s began rolling off the assy line in Sept 1943. They didn't reach squadrons until early 1944. The first victory by an FM-2 was on March 20th 1944 when an FM-2 flown by LT(jg)Dinneen of VC-63 shot down a Ki-61 off New Ireland. This is per Osprey's Wildcat Aces of WWII.
 

[surfinn]

read the above info please

[Shifty]

I just did.

You may be confused with the earlier FM-1 model even your own link states that the FM-2 didnt start getting produced until late 1943.

[Butcher]

The Fm2 (martlet mk4) started service in late 1942 low numbers, early 1943 in mass in both the euro and pacific theaters. So use something diff than wiki for your fact finding.

Started service is one thing, finding combat is another - the FM-2 was a carrier replacement fighter for the F4F for escort carriers/light carriers.

A plane could be in production and started service doesn't mean it was in combat yet.
Actually the FM-2 was ready for combat September 1943, give or take a few months. Not sure which squadrons got it first, i'd have to go back and see if it was deployed on land or carriers before 9/43.

[Shifty]

Here's the quote from your link Surfinn.

 Like I said I think you may be confusing the FM-1 with the FM-2. The way it is written is very confusing.



Hey it would be great to use that bird in a setup hopefully we'll get a chance soon.  

Also Surfinn the Martlet Mk IV is an F4F-4. The Martlet Mk-VI is the FM2. I know for a fact the way the British assign model names and numbers to American aircraft is confusing.

[Butcher]

Here's the quote from your link Surfinn.

 Like I said I think you may be confusing the FM-1 with the FM-2. The way it is written is very confusing.

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Hey it would be great to use that bird in a setup hopefully we'll get a chance soon. 

What sucks is the only Scenario I know the FM-2 is allowed is the late war where it gets brutally raped against N1k and Ki-84s.

[Shifty]

What sucks is the only Scenario I know the FM-2 is allowed is the late war where it gets brutally raped against N1k and Ki-84s.

There's always Leyte Gulf.

[surfinn]

Yes was a mis type on my part the martlet markV is what i was referring to and it was put out earlyer than the Gm FM2 designated ac however there is no difference between the two other than the US gave it to others first to try out;) lol     Oh and the statement that you quoted made me look more than once before I posted this. But as you are using the KI61 to represent the KI43 then what is the problem with the Martlet V being represented by the FM2?

[Butcher]

Yes was a mis type on my part the martlet markV is what i was referring to and it was put out earlyer than the Gm FM2 designated ac however there is no difference between the two other than the US gave it to others first to try out;) lol     Oh and the statement that you quoted made me look more than once before I posted this. But as you are using the KI61 to represent the KI43 then what is the problem with the Martlet V being represented by the FM2?

Its a balancing issue as it was said earlier in the thread, Japan doesn't have the "aircraft" in game to represent the time frame effectively. You can't add the Ki-84 and n1k so what does that leave for Japanese to have?

Ki-61s were available in this time period, however it was a much earlier version, Ki-61a for example - since AH doesn't have a complete set for the Ki-61 they have to go with the C model with 20mm otherwise it wouldn't be added.

No Ki-43 so the A6m3 sits in its place for now.

FM2 was not in service yet for this FSO scenario time frame, Corsairs were in combat in february 43, as well as SpitV's in mid 43, same for 38G's - its an accurate lineup except for maybe a missing squadron of P-47D11s.

[Shifty]

Yes was a mis type on my part the martlet markV is what i was referring to and it was put out earlyer than the Gm FM2 designated ac however there is no difference between the two other than the US gave it to others first to try out;) lol     Oh and the statement that you quoted made me look more than once before I posted this. But as you are using the KI61 to represent the KI43 then what is the problem with the Martlet V being represented by the FM2?

I'm not using the Ki-61 to represent the Ki-43. I'm using the Ki-61 I-TEI to represent the earlier KI-61- I. I'm using the A6Ms to represent Ki-43s.
The Martlet V is not an FM2 either. The Martlet VI is an FM-2. Find a picture of the Martlet V and find a picture of a Martlet VI. See the difference? Martlet VIs (FM2s) did not enter Service with the Fleet Air Arm until August 1944. I don't use FM-2s to represent F4Fs because I have F4Fs. If I had Ki-61-Is I wouldn't use Ki-61-I-TEIs
 for a sub. If I had Ki-43s I wouldn't use A6Ms for a sub.

[Shifty]

Here, let's sum this thread up now.