Tank poll

[WWhiskey]

Eastern front? It must be a Russian account and Joe Stalin and his crowd would never make something up lol. Like I said if a tank hit a plane in flight it was an accident and nothing that could be done by design. I don't know about the M-1 Abram tank but I know no one tracked a plane with the sights in an M-48 or M-60 tank sight. Shooting tanks in this game is just that a game effect and has no relation to the real world. 

Then answer my question

.  Ok new scenario ,I'm sitting 500 yards off the end of a runway staring down the gunsight 

Can we all agree that any of us can hit a plane sitting on the runway?
If that plane starts rolling towards me can I still hit it?
Once it lifts off flying strait at me still, how long will it be before I can not hit it?
And last but not least why?   

[Tank-Ace]

I have a solution to both side's bickering.


Whoever thinks planes being shot down by a tank's main gun is gamey, offer up a solution that is:

1) realistic (none of the stupid "tank rounds do no damage to aircraft" bull crap)
2) fair to both sides (its hard to shoot down aircraft with a tank, but tank's are not negatively affected in tank vs tank combat. This means no reduced turret rotation speed, no removal of tank control from the commander's possition, etc)
3) effective



Because honestly, if YOU are making a correct attack-run, you shouldn't be running into a problem with your aircraft losing in a game of chicken with a 75mm HE shell.

Basically, if you get shot down by a tank's main gun, 1) you're being stupid. 2) the shell just had your name on it, and it had nothing to do with 'gameiness'. 3) any combination of the 2

[Butcher]

I disagree, if you can't figure out how to kill a tank without getting killed by a tank, you probably need more training.

Step one: Learn to kill a tank
Step two: learn to not get killed by a tank.
Step three: Learn both Above and repeat.

Here's some helpful tips: If you are not in a tank buster, and your tank is not soft skinned, you have no chance to kill it. (minus yak-t and B-25H).
Strafing a tank over and over may or may not get you the kill, but it can get you killed.

Just because you can't kill <insert tank here> doesn't mean its cheating, it just means you haven't read rule one.

Lets recap:
Learn to kill Tank.
Learn not to die from tank.

Rinse, and repeat.

[Karnak]

so you fired at the tank and the la-7 that was on the deck flew into your shot.

No, I quite intentionally shot the La-7, but it placed itself in the sight to receive the 75mm AP round that had just loaded.  The opportunity presented itself and I pulled the trigger in order to shoot the La-7.

[R 105]

Then answer my question

yes you can hit a plane on the runway like any stationary target. You could track and hit it at low speed on take off. However a plane in full flight would only be an accident to hit it at all. If you ever have a chance to look through a tank sight from the gunners position in the turret you will understand what I am talking about. Now start the engine and drive over uneven terrain. The tank is so loud you would not hear a plane The tank commander standing in an open hatch would have to tell the gunner on the head set there was a plane at all.

 The gunner would have no point of reference to fire the main gun at the plane. If the hatch was buttoned up no one in the tank would know there was a plane attacking it period. Tanks in WWII had a problem hitting other tanks on the move as they had no computerized controlled lock on target fire control systems like the M-1 Abrams and other modern tanks. Even the M48-A5s and M-60s we had in the 60s 70s and 80s did not have that. I had the opportunity to clime all over WWII tanks both German and Allied at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox KY in 78 in an afters hours tour so I have an understanding of the sighting systems and I spent 10 years in the US Cavalry with a 19D20 MOS.

[Tank-Ace]

yes you can hit a plane on the runway like any stationary target. You could track and hit it at low speed on take off. However a plane in full flight would only be an accident to hit it at all. If you ever have a chance to look through a tank sight from the gunners position in the turret you will understand what I am talking about. Now start the engine and drive over uneven terrain. The tank is so loud you would not hear a plane The tank commander standing in an open hatch would have to tell the gunner on the head set there was a plane at all.

 The gunner would have no point of reference to fire the main gun at the plane. If the hatch was buttoned up no one in the tank would know there was a plane attacking it period. Tanks in WWII had a problem hitting other tanks on the move as they had no computerized controlled lock on target fire control systems like the M-1 Abrams and other modern tanks. Even the M48-A5s and M-60s we had in the 60s 70s and 80s did not have that. I had the opportunity to clime all over WWII tanks both German and Allied at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox KY in 78 in an afters hours tour so I have an understanding of the sighting systems and I spent 10 years in the US Cavalry with a 19D20 MOS.

What is your suggestion to make the game more realistic, without hurting the tanks' ability to kill other tanks?

[Karnak]

yes you can hit a plane on the runway like any stationary target. You could track and hit it at low speed on take off. However a plane in full flight would only be an accident to hit it at all. If you ever have a chance to look through a tank sight from the gunners position in the turret you will understand what I am talking about. Now start the engine and drive over uneven terrain. The tank is so loud you would not hear a plane The tank commander standing in an open hatch would have to tell the gunner on the head set there was a plane at all.

 The gunner would have no point of reference to fire the main gun at the plane. If the hatch was buttoned up no one in the tank would know there was a plane attacking it period. Tanks in WWII had a problem hitting other tanks on the move as they had no computerized controlled lock on target fire control systems like the M-1 Abrams and other modern tanks. Even the M48-A5s and M-60s we had in the 60s 70s and 80s did not have that. I had the opportunity to clime all over WWII tanks both German and Allied at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox KY in 78 in an afters hours tour so I have an understanding of the sighting systems and I spent 10 years in the US Cavalry with a 19D20 MOS.

Or, you know, the plane could fly straight down the sight as in my La-7 example over the last few pages.

Or you could pretend, like the other guy, that tank gunners magically can't see airplanes that enter the field of view of the gunsight.

[Spikes]

I disagree, if you can't figure out how to kill a tank without getting killed by a tank, you probably need more training.

Step one: Learn to kill a tank
Step two: learn to not get killed by a tank.
Step three: Learn both Above and repeat.

Here's some helpful tips: If you are not in a tank buster, and your tank is not soft skinned, you have no chance to kill it. (minus yak-t and B-25H).
Strafing a tank over and over may or may not get you the kill, but it can get you killed.

Just because you can't kill <insert tank here> doesn't mean its cheating, it just means you haven't read rule one.

Lets recap:
Learn to kill Tank.
Learn not to die from tank.

Rinse, and repeat.

If you have already learned the first two why would you need to learn them again?

[R 105]

What is your suggestion to make the game more realistic, without hurting the tanks' ability to kill other tanks?

 What is the point. Guys like Karnak can't grasp why you can't see a plane with a tank sight. The drinking straw in a car truck analogy or rifle scope stick out of a wall is lost on him and other. Just leave the gamey sighting system as is. However the rifle scope stick through a wall is more correct. The field of view on a rifle scope in a fixed position with about 75% less field of vision as now is the correct model. Once I win the lotto and buy out HTC I will fix it I promise lol. I am sorry I ever tried to explain it to start with.

[Karnak]

What is the point. Guys like Karnak can't grasp why you can't see a plane with a tank sight. The drinking straw in a car truck analogy or rifle scope stick out of a wall is lost on him and other. Just leave the gamey sighting system as is. However the rifle scope stick through a wall is more correct. The field of view on a rifle scope in a fixed position with about 75% less field of vision as now is the correct model. Once I win the lotto and buy out HTC I will fix it I promise lol. I am sorry I ever tried to explain it to start with.

I understand exactly what you are saying.  You can't understand that there are exceptions.  You simply insist it is impossible when in rare circumstances it most certainly is possible.

I cannot understand how you cannot grasp the situation I am describing the the point that you insist it is impossible.

[SmokinLoon]

The mere fact that a tank commander is not going to be distracted from an enemy ground force threat, either real or perceived, to have the main gun chase a plane that he can not visually see.  Sure, the TC can give him a bearing and approximate elevation but the chances of the gunner being able to traverse fast enough and accurately enough to get to that point are so minute.  Also, being able to judge speed, altitude, etc, vs that plane is completely different that vs an enemy ground target.  On and on.  Etc, etc. 

If there was a way HTC could combat such inaccuracies I believe they would fix it.  Although, they are still allowing flights of Lancasters the ability to hover over a gv spawn at 800ft and carpet bomb gv's.  So who knows.   

[R 105]

 Using the Blind hog finding a turnip principle you may get lucky and hit a plane. Here find yourself a good size cardboard box and a rifle scope. Make a hole in the box just big enough to push the scope through it with no day light around the scope. Place the box over you head look in the scope. Now try to find and track a flying bird. Heck try to find plane flying over you head and track it. Remember a cardboard box is not a tank turret restricted to a ring gear and no loud engine running near you and it ain't bouncing over hill and dale. Anything is possible when firing large projectiles down range. I even saw a bird hit by a 105 round once but it don't mean the gunner can go duck hunting with the 105. It is what it is in the game and there is an end to it.

[Butcher]

I say how about if someones in commander view and an aircraft strafes the tank, then the Tank commander is killed and you are stuck in gunner mode.

If the person switches to gunner position then he's "buttoned" up and commander won't be killed, want more realism? this will cause whines to go through the roof (but but before we didn't have this!)

[Tracerfi]

I have a solution to both side's bickering.


Whoever thinks planes being shot down by a tank's main gun is gamey, offer up a solution that is:

1) realistic (none of the stupid "tank rounds do no damage to aircraft" bull crap)
2) fair to both sides (its hard to shoot down aircraft with a tank, but tank's are not negatively affected in tank vs tank combat. This means no reduced turret rotation speed, no removal of tank control from the commander's possition, etc)
3) effective



Because honestly, if YOU are making a correct attack-run, you shouldn't be running into a problem with your aircraft losing in a game of chicken with a 75mm HE shell.

Basically, if you get shot down by a tank's main gun, 1) you're being stupid. 2) the shell just had your name on it, and it had nothing to do with 'gameiness'. 3) any combination of the 2

Tank rounds can and did damage aircraft in real life

[Karnak]

Using the Blind hog finding a turnip principle you may get lucky and hit a plane. Here find yourself a good size cardboard box and a rifle scope. Make a hole in the box just big enough to push the scope through it with no day light around the scope. Place the box over you head look in the scope. Now try to find and track a flying bird. Heck try to find plane flying over you head and track it. Remember a cardboard box is not a tank turret restricted to a ring gear and no loud engine running near you and it ain't bouncing over hill and dale. Anything is possible when firing large projectiles down range. I even saw a bird hit by a 105 round once but it don't mean the gunner can go duck hunting with the 105. It is what it is in the game and there is an end to it.

Completely irrelevant to the situation with the La-7.