seperation of cannons.

[Tank-Ace]

Would it be possible to separate the 30mm cannons from the 20mm cannons on the Me 410, like how the 20 and 30mm cannons are separated on the Bf 110?

Or were the 410's unable to fire the 30mm's independently of the 20mm's?


If this wouldn't be unrealistic, maybe relable them as either the cannon's names (eg, Mk 103 and Mg 151), or by caliber (20 or 30mm). It would just make it easier to track the flight of the shell's that actually count, and how many hits are landing, when you're firing at an armored target.

[titanic3]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,336592.0.html

[Butcher]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,336592.0.html

[Karnak]

The only way AH could do that right now would be to either group the two default 20mm cannons with the default 7.92mm/13mm machine guns or to require you to cycle to the 30mm cannons, which would remove the ability to fire all of your forward guns at once.

Hence Lusche's thread that others linked to.

[Citabria]

the real 190s fired mg and inboard cannons from one switch and the outboard cannons from another so grouping 20mm and mg together would be preferable to 20mm and 30mm.

the balistics of 30mm make it preferable to be fired separately often.

[RTHolmes]

fairly easy to model RL operation when there are 2 triggers like in AH, not so easy when individual guns are armed to fire off 1 trigger.

eg.
jug/pony - 1 trigger fires all banks of .50s (should be like this in AH too ...)
corsair - each pair of .50s armed individually (not sure why, so you can disable a pair if a gun runs away? )


how were the 110/410 cannons operated IRL?

[Tank-Ace]

Something else I've been wondering about is the ammount of ordnance our 410 is packing around. Numbers I've seen said upto 1000kg (~2200lbs), but right now we only can carry 500kg in bombs.

Are we missing some ordnance options, or are the WGr 21's counted in that 1000kg figure?

[Lusche]

Numbers I've seen said upto 1000kg (~2200lbs), but right now we only can carry 500kg in bombs.

The 410 could take 2 bombs nominally rated at 500kg internally, but of a different type we have in AH: SD 500, which had a thicker casing and considerable less exsplosive filling for greater shrapnel effect at a cost of reduced blast damage.
A standard SD 500 had a much smaller diameter than the generic SC 500 bombs we have modeled in game.

[Krusty]

SC500 isn't exactly what we have in-game either. It kind of looks like it, but the modelling isn't quite there anyways.

There's no excuse not to have the SD 500s, because this update has added 3 new weapons already.

I'm very disappointed in the ord options for the 410. Not much porkability in that ride, so far.

[Lusche]

There's no excuse not to have the SD 500s

Yes there is one: It would require the introduction of a completeley new damage model that would differentiate between damage by blast and damage by fragmentation, as well as targets reacting differently to those categories.
Currently all our bombs are kind of generically representing the very type of bombs the SC class is belonging to: General Purpose bombs, relying on relatively high amounnts of explosive filling. And currently our ordnance damage model is likewewise generically relying on blast effects for damage determination. If HTC could have given us the SD 500, but without such a change it would simply be a 500kg bomb with the blast effect of an 250kg bomb or even less, due to it's radically reduced amount of explosive filling.

I'm all for adding a more complex system and thus different types of bombs which would be chosen by the player according to his targets: Armor piercing bombs for attacking the cruiser or even a future battleship, general purpose bombs for attacking town and industry structures, fragmentation and cluster bombs for the attack on 'soft' targets.

But until then I don't see much point in adding a 'weak' SD 500 bomb.

[Lusche]

One point I did forget to mention about the SD-500: It was also used as a kind of semi-armor piercing bomb, it's thicker casing enabling it being used against harder targets like reinforced concred ceilings (up to 1m thickness) or lightly armored warships.

[Tank-Ace]

So could the 410 only carry a 500kg SC bomb, or 2 250kg SC bombs? Cause thats a little disapointing, and doesn't offer a whole lot of flexibility.

[Lusche]

So could the 410 only carry a 500kg SC bomb, or 2 250kg SC bombs?

Yes, internally one 500kg or 2x 250kg bombs (of different types), but also 8x SC 50 (in a special rack) or 1x PC 1000 (armor piercing bomb we don't have in game either).


What is lacking right now is the ability to carry 4 additional SC 50 under the wings, my (wild) guess being because it conflicts with the heavy gun loadout options.

[Tank-Ace]

I think I would rather have the 8 50kg bombs than the 1 1000lb bomb. More versatility, flexibility.



Still, I would like to see the 410 get some more ordnance options, even if it means modeling AP and semi-AP bombs, and everyone else does less damage to armored objects.