A few words

[hitech]

Fidd, im not flaming you, and don't disagree with your thought prossess. But almost every thing we do concerning this stuff ,you never see. Therfore you realy don't even know how the situation was handled. We won't post in here what was done or how some one abused the system.

HiTech

[Gadfly]

Some examples:

I bought a thousand dollar, custom built computer system a few years ago.  When I got home, there was no power cord.  I called them, and I admit there may have been a little hostility on my part, since it was thirty miles away and they would not bring me my cord.  The owner of the small business asked me to bring it back, he would refund my money, didn't want my business.  Fine with me, I have bought at least 5,000$ worth since then, and needless to say, he didn't want it.

I am a salesman, I deal with irate customers on a regular basis.  Sometimes they curse me and my forefathers, but I suck it up.  Ain't no big deal and it certainly doesn't hurt my feelings.  They get over it and we keep on doing business.

The only difference here is that these Yahoo's acting childish in the arena does impact other customers.  If one of my customers hammered on another of my clients, then I would consider closely if I wanted his business.

It is these guys(HTC) life, so respect their choice and learn by what they do not want.

[Hajo]

gentlemen, I think it's about time we let this matter drop from the boards.  It's over and done with.  starting to look like a group of old women gossiping now.  Let's drop the subject please.  No ones going to win a message board argument anyway.  Let's grow up and let this matter die.

Hajo

[Kieran]

Snipped from another thread:

 

Try to understand something here- if HTC tells you every bit of the history they have had with people that have been banned they violate their rights to privacy. If they don't explain, their actions are viewed as arbitrary and capricious. This is a no-win situation. Again I can assure you I live in this environment every day and I deeply sympathize with HTC here.

HTC is being forced into the position of being the "bad guy", despite the fact it is a few of the customers that are misbehaving. Sounds pretty screwed up, doesn't it? Temporary bans? They might work, but how do you know they haven't already been used? Further, I don't think it is much of a "stick". The defiant players will often respond with "so what, I was going to be gone for a few days anyway, no big deal". All we wind up having then is a dragging out of an inevitable ending.

The point is this for anyone who is missing it; you have to have a history of misconduct to receive a permament ban. There is no evidence to the contrary.

Kieran

This is what several people have tried to convey. No doubt there will be those upset over the events of the last few days but hopefully as the dust settles and rational minds return this can be viewed a bit more objectively.

Gadfly-

Very true. Sad when a lurker sees things far more lucidly than people that are here every day...

[LePaul]

 

Originally posted by Gadfly:
Some examples:

I bought a thousand dollar, custom built computer system a few years ago.  When I got home, there was no power cord.  I called them, and I admit there may have been a little hostility on my part, since it was thirty miles away and they would not bring me my cord.  The owner of the small business asked me to bring it back, he would refund my money, didn't want my business.  Fine with me, I have bought at least 5,000$ worth since then, and needless to say, he didn't want it.

I am a salesman, I deal with irate customers on a regular basis.  Sometimes they curse me and my forefathers, but I suck it up.  Ain't no big deal and it certainly doesn't hurt my feelings.  They get over it and we keep on doing business.

The only difference here is that these Yahoo's acting childish in the arena does impact other customers.  If one of my customers hammered on another of my clients, then I would consider closely if I wanted his business.

It is these guys(HTC) life, so respect their choice and learn by what they do not want.

You pouted and whined over a $3 cable?  And you are awed these guys keep doing things for you?  You should be.  I'll bet if you have a computer failure one day beyond your warranty, those guys will be cheering the loudest.    <Just kidding>

But I disagree with you on the fact the people acting childish on the Main Arena DO effect other players.  I, and speaking only for I, find in annoying.  I've been in IRC Chat rooms more closely moderated.  The free online games (NovaLogic's Delta Force and F22 ones) are laced with this kinda banter and as a result, I no longer play these games much.  So, for a place a PAY to play on, I would expect that the arena ARE monitored and moderated, so that everyone is playing per the rules of the user agreement.

And my money does my talking.  If I have to see oodles of offensive babble on the Main Arena, on a regualr basis, I'll leave.  While it would take quite a bit to really push me over the edge to do that, I would.  

If you don't like the rules, or knowing they are enforced, too bad.  We're expected to be adults in here, or act least act our age.  Sure we have bad days, but that's no excuse.  Sorry folks, time to be held accountable, and responsible, for your actions.  And long overdue, I say.



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[LePaul]

 

Originally posted by Hajo:
gentlemen, I think it's about time we let this matter drop from the boards.  It's over and done with.  starting to look like a group of old women gossiping now.  Let's drop the subject please.  No ones going to win a message board argument anyway.  Let's grow up and let this matter die.

Hajo

Hey Hajo, are you the silly old lady in the blue hair?  



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[Kieran]

Actually if you read it more closely, LePaul, you see that Gadfly does agree with you. He is merely stating a tenet of business on the front end. Look at this:

 

The only difference here is that these Yahoo's acting childish in the arena does impact other customers. If one of my customers hammered on another of my clients, then I would consider closely if I wanted his business.

See? And he's right about having to deal with unruly customers- it is a fact you have to put up with some crap or you won't have much of a business. The real issue is just how much will you put up with?

[Gadfly]

Yes, and it wasn't the three buck cable, it was the fact that it wasnt THERE.

[LePaul]

 

Originally posted by Gadfly:
Yes, and it wasn't the three buck cable, it was the fact that it wasnt THERE.

So you wanted a guy to drive 30 miles to bring you a $3 cable?  Hey, whatever, but I'm up here in the puckerbrush of Maine.  Poop happens, and if a $3 cable was acidentally left behind, big deal.  Drive to Best Buy or Staples and grab one.  And if you really wanna be uptight, send the receipt to the computer store and have em pay you back.

<shrug>


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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[MrSiD]

Any kid who can borrow or steal their daddy's creditcard can get an AH account..

Now this is certainly a very bad thing because as we all know, the net is FULL of immature and even sick individuals.. Some of the people are simply deranged.

That is why it is ESSENTIAL that HTC keeps a tight leash on the community. Paying customers or not, the day you start damaging the mutual property - be it by means of hacking or harassing others on regular basis - your money should not be good for HT anymore.

Keeping players like that would simply be bad business and I doubt HT wants to do bad business.. If I was him, I'd hand out much more warnings and in case the player turns out to be stupid enough not to comply, get rid of him. 1% of abusive clients make 90% of disappointed customers! So I say get rid of the 1% before the 90% decide to go somewhere else to spend their time!

[Hajo]

LePaul LOLOLOLOL yes, blue hair, pretty expensive also, comes in a bottle I get at the drug store <G>

[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by LePaul:
So you wanted a guy to drive 30 miles to bring you a $3 cable? ... Poop happens, and if a $3 cable was acidentally left behind, big deal. Drive to Best Buy or Staples and grab one.

 What does your time cost? At $15/hr a drive to Staples makes that cable a $7.50 deal. Some people make much more then that to play delivery boy. More poop happens to those who think it's OK for poop to happen.

 Pyro - finally I may be able to show the game to my co-workers without blanking out the radio buffer. Great!

miko

[Kieran]

Just for the sake of argument on this one...

I wish I could quote the study (can anyone?) that suggested that companies occasionally intentionally left parts out. They knew that the vast majority of consumers would assume it was an error and would go out and buy the missing parts themselves. Multiply the little bit of money saved over many units, and you have a potential windfall for the company.

[Tac]

heh, when I bought my dvd it didnt come with the IDE and ATAPI cable. Called the store (Best Buy), they couldnt do anything as they only sold the part for the company. I said no problem, called the company, got some retard on the line.

4 days later I received a brand new DVD rom with all the cables (it was even faster than the one I had bought). Funny thing is, they never asked me to return the old one or sent me and RMA or the likes.

Sis got a free DVD, used old ATAPI from old CD-ROM and IDE cable... and lived happily ever after.    

IMO, if HTC believe they need to ban people its their choice. Its THEIR bussiness, you are a costumer. If you dont like it, move on, if they dont like you, you're gone. Its not a public service and HTC is not obliged to give you that service.

Now fix my P-38 dammit