Lancaster - Gear

[Chalenge]

The cycle rate of the landing gear on the Lancaster is not quite three times too fast. I timed the AH Lancaster at 3.05 seconds while the real aircraft takes something closer to 11 seconds.

While it is impossible to get precise times from this footage (youtube) you can see it is not 3 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKV9lK-0Kck

[Chalenge]

Hurricane I landing gear has the same problem.

[Noir]

well in AH as soon as you hit G the gear is fully functional...

[Chalenge]

Then they can add that to the bug report also.

[Superfly]

Not a bug.  All gear cycle at the same rate, and work immediately.  It's a wish list item.

[Chalenge]

Shouldnt the gear animation take longer? Particularly on aircraft like the Hurricane I that uses a hand pump?

And then also why is the P-51 an 8 second audio file yet the Lanc and Hurr are 3 seconds?

[RTHolmes]

why is the P-51 an 8 second audio file yet the Lanc and Hurr are 3 seconds?

doors/no doors

(well for the Hurri anyway, pass on the lanc)

[Chalenge]

No. The Hurricane is a hand pumped system. Even a healthy young man takes 12 seconds to get them up and that is if everything goes perfectly. The Spitfire Mk I is just right so it is obvious that it can be done right but isnt for the Lanc III or Hurr I.

[RTHolmes]

ahh ok, I'm ashamed to say Ive hardly flown the hurri I. pumping the gear down by hand after a BoB sortie is about the last thing you'd want to deal with, my respect for those what those boys had to do has notched up once again

[Babalonian]

Not a bug.  All gear cycle at the same rate, and work immediately.  It's a wish list item.

OT sort of, but please tac on that post-it seperate noises/sounds-files for gear up, gear down, gear damage, and gear wind por favor.  HTC's doesn't have to utilise them but the custom sounds folks might have a lot of interest.  

IE: P-51 Most gear retracts you cant hear over the sound of the engine haulin arse except for the pop, which you really feel more than hear, of them engaging the arresting lock/hook inside the wells.  When dropped that same spring loaded hook makes and aweful sharp twang/pop when it releases and the gear litteraly drops out for the first part of its downward swing before the hydrolic actuators pick up the slack.  Those noises are the loudest mechanical noise of the swings with the gear.  The engine seriously dwarfs and drowns out any slight hydrolic noise you might hear or even feel.  By far, the single noisiest thing with dropping the gear is the wind noise changes dramaticly, you can hear (and feel) it buffeting agaisnt the gears and the flaps being dropped.  This wind isn't as sharp as that wind tone you get from going super fast, it's different, more baritone and reflects the fact you're now generating drag while sailing through the sky.

I think adding a couple extra noise files/ques would greatly increase the immersion, especialy if some gear/flap/drag winds could be added.

[Chalenge]

You would be surprised what you have to go through to isolate a sound like gear especially on an airplane on the Lanc with the gear mounted so close to the engine. That said... you absolutely can hear the gear. The motors (when it is not pneumatic) are of a completely different pitch. This is especially true of larger aircraft like the Lancaster and the B29. The Lancaster in particular is interesting because the number two engine powers all of the auxiliary pneumatic systems like brakes (Lancs, Hurries, and Spits all use air brakes for instance) and turrets. If that engine fails the airplane has to depend on mostly manual systems. Flaps and gear on the B29 are easily heard even with headphones and earplugs (earplugs designed to filter damaging sounds at least). Even the P-51 as seen in the video I posted not too long back.

I agree that the engine is more easily heard and that aircraft outside would be nearly impossible to hear. I also agree with your wish for more sound categories (gear up/down and so on).

The squeal of the brakes that HTC recently added is not precisely what I have heard before. I believe the sound I have heard before is caused by brake dust and dirt causing micro-vibrations that cause other portions of the airframe to harmonize a hum more than anything else but I dont really know. Even commercial airline pilots have told me they can hear the brakes but since brakes are designed to NOT make noise I dont think the train car sound we have is accurate. WWII was a long time ago in material use though. Its possible technology has just changed the way these things happen.

[Babalonian]

You would be surprised what you have to go through to isolate a sound like gear especially on an airplane on the Lanc with the gear mounted so close to the engine. That said... you absolutely can hear the gear. The motors (when it is not pneumatic) are of a completely different pitch. This is especially true of larger aircraft like the Lancaster and the B29. The Lancaster in particular is interesting because the number two engine powers all of the auxiliary pneumatic systems like brakes (Lancs, Hurries, and Spits all use air brakes for instance) and turrets. If that engine fails the airplane has to depend on mostly manual systems. Flaps and gear on the B29 are easily heard even with headphones and earplugs (earplugs designed to filter damaging sounds at least). Even the P-51 as seen in the video I posted not too long back.

I agree that the engine is more easily heard and that aircraft outside would be nearly impossible to hear. I also agree with your wish for more sound categories (gear up/down and so on).

The squeal of the brakes that HTC recently added is not precisely what I have heard before. I believe the sound I have heard before is caused by brake dust and dirt causing micro-vibrations that cause other portions of the airframe to harmonize a hum more than anything else but I dont really know. Even commercial airline pilots have told me they can hear the brakes but since brakes are designed to NOT make noise I dont think the train car sound we have is accurate. WWII was a long time ago in material use though. Its possible technology has just changed the way these things happen.

It varies with the aircraft, but I'm talking more singe-engined fighters in my example.  End even then, inside the older multi-engined variety like in AH, it's just about as loud on the TO roll if not louder, you can't hear anything besides the engines.  These hydrolic motors make about as much noise as a hair dryer to weed wipper, BUT when compared to any WWII era engine at TO power, forget about hearing any of it.  These extra noises you only get a chance to hear when landing or when the engine is near idle.

[Chalenge]

Okay. Landings are very different. Tell me you cannot hear the gear come up in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd5cg77mA48

EDIT: this is the abridged version of the film I posted earlier.

[Karnak]

One thing I notice is that a lot of the AH2 gear animations are not sequenced correctly.  On the Mosquito Mk VI, for example, the gear doors and gear all move at once resulting in the gear apparently folding through the nearly closed doors.

The Me410 changed this and is sequenced correctly.  The gear doors wait until the gear have been raised before they close over the gear.

[RTHolmes]

I know it doesnt add to the air combat and would be way down the list, but properly sequenced gear and doors would be great to have. always find myself looking for it when I see real aircraft take off, theres something very pleasingly mechanical about it