P-36 anyone

[Wmaker]

The French have there own planes to add 1st!
D520- Ms406 and really should have there own plane in the game.

It was the French (among the Finns) to whom Hawk played the largest role for. It was also the best fighter the French had in quantity during the BoF and as far as fighters go, also the one that had the biggest impact on the fighting.

[Shifty]

I would love to see the P-36 added, it would get a lot of use in Special Events. 

[Megalodon]

It was the French to whom Hawk played the largest role for. It was also the best fighter the French had in quantity during the BoF and as far as fighter go also the one that had the biggest impact on the fighting.

 Why would the French need some other countries plane when they made plenty of there their own?

Seams odd to me 1200 MS-406, 900 D-520 vs. 700 ordered and around 285 actually delivered P-36

 Thank you for your input thouigh I have a plenty books on the subject <some in Finnish> and I acknowledged they <France> had many Mohawks.
The RAF also had alot most of the later Mohawks that were going to France and they distributed them as they saw fit, about 700 I believe.

The Dutch could also use a plane! Here's a snappy salute from Lt. Boxman


 

[Wmaker]

Why would the French need some other countries plane when they made plenty of there their own?

You mean in game or in reality? What I mean was that, historically as far as results go, Hawk75 had the biggest success. Personally I'm not too hung up on which firm produced what but what happened in the actual war.

Seams odd to me 1200 MS-406, 900 D-520 vs. 700 ordered and around 285 actually delivered P-36

Never said it was the most numerous fighter but that it stood out with its success the best. The high number of victories scored by it in the Armee de l'Air is of course partly over claming as it is with most air forces and the French victory system also bloats the number a bit but that is the same for the other french fighters aswell.

EDIT/As far as the numbers strenght goes, it is good to remember that they were up against the numbers of the Luftwaffe and that D.520 production continued after fall of France./EDIT

[Megalodon]

No 155 Squadron Agartala in August 1943  the plane in the lead is especially sexy

[Ack-Ack]

It could get many country's in the game Portugal, Holland, Norway, Thailand <had 23mm in the wings>,

 
 

Portugal was neutral so we won't be seeing a skin from that country if we get the P-36.  A Thai skin would require the addition of the Hawk 75N as that was the only model of the P-36 the Royal Thai Air Force used and it also had fixed landing gear.





From what I was able to find, the Hawk 75N was a simplified version (simplified engines/fixed landing gear), the same for the Hawk 75M that were built for the Chinese.  In any case, the Hawk 75N proved its worth during the brief Vinchy French-Thai War and during the Battle of Prachuab Khirikhan against the Japanese invaders.

The Hawk 75N also came with two gun packages, a single .50 caliber and .30 caliber in the nose and 2 .30 caliber guns in each wing.  The 2nd gun package had the 2 23mm Madsen cannons under the wing and the single .50 caliber and .30 caliber in the nose but only 12 were outfitted this way. 

ack-ack

[Eric19]

but it did say it was a production modify variant Wmaker so be experimental in this case wouldn't it mean there shipped out like that with the 2 50s in the cowl and 4 30s
and then I guess if we didn't get that one it would either be the USAAC version with the 4 30s in the wings or the P36C with additional 30s in the wings

[Shifty]

A lot of Air Forces used the Hawk.

France




Nationalist China




Finland




The Netherlands



Norway



United States



Vichy France



Germany



United Kingdom

[Eric19]

A lot of Air Forces used the Hawk.

France

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Nationalist China

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Finland

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The Netherlands

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Norway

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United States

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Vichy France

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I want the vichy france one lol its pertty

[Megalodon]

You mean in game or in reality? What I mean was that, historically as far as results go, Hawk75 had the biggest success. Personally I'm not too hung up on which firm produced what but what happened in the actual war.


Never said it was the most numerous fighter but that it stood out with its success the best. The high number of victories scored by it in the Armee de l'Air is of course partly over claming as it is with most air forces and the French victory system also bloats the number a bit but that is the same for the other french fighters aswell.

EDIT/As far as the numbers strenght goes, it is good to remember that they were up against the numbers of the Luftwaffe and that D.520 production continued after fall of France./EDIT

 Well if we want to talk kills to amount of Hawks 75's and who was best with it, it would definitely be another American/Finnish plane as they saw the greatest success with it. 41 or so planes from Norway and France via Germany, achieving an un-bolstered 190 kills?  vs  285-400 planes of the French and 230 kills and as you say the French inflated their kills.

The French have their own planes that need representation.

This plane would be useful as a plane from another country.

Heck China manufactured them before the plant was moved to India. I'd rather see a Chinese version 1st. Or the SAAF or the Dutch.







Ack I was teasing with the Portuguese plane and ribbing with the Norwegian plane. However the Thai plane did do some fighting against the Japanese. 32 hour Battle of Prachuab Khri Khan where the Japanese were defeated.

Here's a better shot

[Ack-Ack]

However the Thai plane did do some fighting against the Japanese. 32 hour Battle of Prachuab Khri Khan where the Japanese were defeated.

They also beat up the Vichy French pretty bad in the air.

ack-ack

[Megalodon]

Variants
Model 75A - company-owned demonstrator aircraft flown with several engine fits
Model 75B - prototype with Wright 830hp R-1820 G3 engine
Model 75D - first prototype, Wright R-1670 engine
Model 75H - internal company designation for a simplified export version with fixed landing gear, two slightly differing aircraft built, first sold to China, second to Argentina
Model 75J - company-owned 75A temporarily fitted with an external supercharger
Model 75K - Unbuilt version, it was going to be powered by a Pratt & Whitney R-02180 Twin Hornet engine.
Model 75P - production P-36A (serial 38-010) fitted with Allison V-1710 liquid-cooled engine, prototype for Curtiss P-40
Model 75R - company-owned 75A temporarily fitted with R-1830-SC2-G engine with turbosupercharger, attained 330 mph (530 km/h) but proved complex and unreliable
Y1P-36 (Model 75E) - USAAC prototype, Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engine
P-36A (Model 75L) - USAAC version, P-26A-3 mounted four 0.30 in machine guns in the wings in addition to fuselage armament
P-36B - production P-36A fitted with an R-1830-25 engine producing 1,100 hp (820 kW), reached 313 mph (504 km/h), returned to original P-36A configuration
P-36C - an additional 0.30 in machine gun installed in each wing with external ammunition boxes under the wings, R-1830-17 engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW), last 30 production aircraft were completed as P-36Cs
XP-36D - production P-36A modified with 2 x 0.50 in machine guns in the nose and 4x 0.30 in machine guns in the wings
XP-36E - production P-36A armed with 4 x 0.30 in machine guns in the wings, retained standard fuselage guns
XP-36F - production P-36A fitted with 2 x 23 mm Madsen cannons under the wings.
P-36G - Hawk 75A-8 used by Norway for training in Canada, later to Peru. Wright R-1820-G205A engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW).
Hawk 75A-1 - French export version, 4 x 7.5 mm machine guns, R-1830-SC-G engine with 900 hp (671 kW), British aircraft designated Mohawk I
Hawk 75A-2 - French export version, R-1830-SC2-G engine with 1,050 hp (783 kW), 6x 7.5 mm machine guns, British aircraft designated Mohawk II
Hawk 75A-3 - French export version, Hawk 75A-2 with R-1830-S1C3G engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW), British aircraft designated Mohawk III
Hawk 75A-4 - French export version, Hawk 75A-2 with Wright R-1820-G205A Cyclone engine with 1,200 hp (895 kW), British aircraft designated Mohawk IV
Hawk 75A-5 - built under license in China (production was later moved to India), absorbed into RAF as Mohawk IV
Hawk 75A-6 - version for Norway, captured aircraft sent to Finland
Hawk 75A-7 - version for Netherlands East Indies: 1,200 hp Cyclone, 4 x 7.7 mm (two in nose, one in each wing) and 2 x 100 lb bombs.
Hawk 75A-8 - Export version for Norway. Later redesignated P-36G.
Hawk 75A-9 - 10 aircraft delivered to Persia, captured still in crates and used by RAF in India as Mohawk IVs
Hawk 75M - simplified version with fixed landing gear and Wright R-1820 Cyclone engine for China, built by both Curtiss and Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company in China
Hawk 75N - simplified version for Siam (Thailand)
Hawk 75O - simplified version for Argentine, 29 built by Curtiss with additional 200 built under license locally by Fabrica Militar de Aviones
Hawk 75Q - two additional simplified demonstrators for China
XP-37 - Allison V-1710 liquid-cooled engine, cockpit moved to the rear of the fuselage
YP-37 - service test version of XP-37, 13 built
XP-42 (Model 75S) - testbed for streamlining cowlings around air-cooled engines

Specifications (P-36A)

General characteristics

Crew: One
Length: 28 ft 6 in (8.7 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 1 in (11.3 m)
Height: 9 ft 2 in (2.8 m)
Wing area: 235.6 ft² (21.9 m²)
Empty weight: 4,665 lb (2,116 kg)
Loaded weight: 5,867 lb (2,661 kg)
Max takeoff weight: lb (kg)
Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney R-1830-13 Twin Wasp air-cooled radial piston engine, 1,050 hp (783 kW)

Performance
Maximum speed: 322 mph (518 km/h)
Cruise speed: 260 mph (420 km/h)
Range: 650 mi (1,046 km)
Service ceiling 32,340 ft (9,860 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (13 m/s)
Wing loading: 25 lb/ft² (122 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.18 hp/lb (0.29 kW/kg)

Armament
1 × 0.30 in machine gun
1 × 0.50 in machine gun



WMaker... Just for <G>'s which version of the Mohawk are you espousing, Keeping in mind that the later two never made it to France, 1 which could out turn and out fight the Ki-43, or the 900hp A-1... transparent? Also what are your thoughts on the Prototype Model 75B related to the B-239?

Thank you,

 

[Wmaker]

I always have a hard time interpreting air speed.  How fast do you think it would go on the deck?

Here's my estimate of the speeds based on French Air Force's flight testing. AH's P-40C's top speeds is thrown there for reference.

[Dantoo]

Mohawk saw long front-line service in Burma.  Equipped 5Sqn until June 1943.  146 Sqn operated them temporarily before receiving Hurricane IIBs.  155 Sqn operated them from August 1942 until January 1944.
There is a report in "Air War for Burma" where Mohawk pilots speak of their ability to out-turn Ki43s.  A feat indeed!
They were used for air defence, escort and ground attack.  Jack of all trades and popular with their crews.

Not certain, but I believe the Mohawk IVs were the 1200hp model with 4 wing mounted mgs?


Picture is credited as being a 5 Sqn machine.

I've also read that they were involved in battles between Thailand (Siam) and French Indo-China (Vietnam) and that they were also manufactured under license in China.
Interesting plane.

[Noir]

the reason the french ordered these is because we couldn't produce enough of our own types in time for the upcoming war. So we ordered all we could.