109 vs Spitfire

[Debrody]

Yea Bozon, thats the tactic against the runners who "extend" for 20 miles then come back with alt 
Bit i guess Karnak already knows that tactic. The only problem with it is, if the enemy in the runny ride dont wanna get killed, he wont be killed.

[Noir]

The SpitV pilot is FlyOver, long time we didn't see him

The spit16 broke the speed game in aces high, it's too fast to be this manoeuvrable

[Lusche]

Speed was always a factor. The problem is that as AH advanced in versions, more and more common rides reach the 350~ish deck speed. Namely the Spit16 and F4U's. Therefore, it order to be faster than the typical planes you will have around you, the bar has been raised.

To be fair most fast planes had been added to AH long before 2005 (when I joined). Since then, we got only two reasonably fast fighters (47M and F4U1A). All others that had been introduced in the past 7 years are fairly slow.

But of course that doesn't say they are being used. Therefore I did a silly thing and tried to determine something like an "average fighter top speed". I took USAGE (K+D) and max speed on deck and came up with an average fighter max speed of 342mph in 2005 and 346mph in 2011.

[Bruv119]

Here is my opinion:
i like turning and for me, the Spit5 vs 109F isnt even close due to the Spitfire's much better maneuverability.

pervert and I tried this match up and if I didn't bring him down within the first few merges, the 109F has a much better engine and can get on top and stay on top in climbing circles.

109E vs Spit1    Spit should win as long as he doesn't stall out badly or do excessive negative G manoeuvres losing energy in the process
109F vs Spit5   109F can win if he flies smart and uses sustained turns over yank and bank
109F vs Spit9    Spit 9  all the way haven't found a 109F pilot that would win in a straight out fight.
109G2 vs Spit9   Spit 9.
109G14 vs Spit8    Spit 8,  the earlier 109 models stand a better chance of exploiting any mistakes.
109K4 vs Spit14    K4 all the way,  Spit 14's handling slow is dodgy.  The 16, 8 and 9 would all lick a 109k4 if he stood and turn fought. 

Hopper and Jo have thrown various 109's around to really make my Spitty work 100% to beat them but the 109 vs spit fight is much closer than some luft cry babies would make out as long as they fly with aggression, purpose and stick time. 

[Debrody]

Im not (a) pervert and wont energy-fight or circle jerk in an 1v1 cause i think thats homie.
Also, i would try an F against your Spit9 if i can make it back once. Nothing to lose.

Anyway, dont be butt-hurt about the luftweenies. The Gustav is definiately the harder way compared to the spit8/9/16.  

Edit: the spit14 is very close to the K4 in almost every aspect, i cant see why it is perked when the K4 is at Eny20.

[Noir]

Im not (a) pervert and wont energy-fight or circle jerk in an 1v1 cause i think thats homie.

  what do you do then that meets your ethic standards?

[Debrody]

what do you do then that meets your ethic standards?

Trying to beat You in Your game, fighting your aircraft's fight. Or trying to outscissor You and shoot your butt after a good old fashioned tailwhip   
I consider that as skill, unlike pulling the stick back and waiting for my plane to win the fight for me.

[Noir]

last time I checked, getting the max out of an aeroplane in a flat turn contest required skill, it's much harder than just pulling the stick. On the other hand scissors are quite easy, just be the closest to the center of the scissors and you win. Its just a no throttle contest.

To each his own, but the best can do it all. Unlike me.

[Debrody]

I dont really know what are you talking about, but for me scissors are a lot more exciting than the flat turn. Maybe because my aircraft sux in the flat turn and is a semi-decent performer in the scissors. Or maybe because the ones who spent their time with teaching me forgot to show me how awesome the continous circling can be. Just dkking, dont take it serious  : )

[Karnak]

I took a Spit XIV out last night.  It is definitely a Spitfire better suited to the MA than the others.  Scratched one P-47D-40 and one P-51D, neither of which had a real chance against it.  Was nice to be able to keep up.  That said, the enemy didn't have any agile fighters with it.

About the spiraling up 1) if the guy keeps doing that beyond the altitude needed to rotated and dive on you he is being timid just like a "run for a sector "BnZing" P-51D" and 2) if the pilot had been your equal the Spit VIII would just crush a P-47N in a knife fight.

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Off topic, if you're airframe is clean (no bomb, rocket or droptank shackles) the Mossie will do 320 MIL and 357 WEP on the deck.  A number of fighters seem to have mega-boost from WEP.  The Bf109G-14, Mosquito Mk VI, P-47N, P-47M and Spitfire Mk XIV are all very good when WEP is available and mediocre when it is not.  Specifically to the Mosquito, I am not sure which MIL numbers HTC used.  The Mosquito Mk VI used Merlin 21s, 23s and 25s depending on the individual aircraft and I suppose it is possible we have MIL from Merlin 21s or 23s while having WEP from Merlin 25s.

[Pepprr]

pervert and I tried this match up and if I didn't bring him down within the first few merges, the 109F has a much better engine and can get on top and stay on top in climbing circles.

109E vs Spit1    Spit should win as long as he doesn't stall out badly or do excessive negative G manoeuvres losing energy in the process
109F vs Spit5   109F can win if he flies smart and uses sustained turns over yank and bank
109F vs Spit9    Spit 9  all the way haven't found a 109F pilot that would win in a straight out fight.
109G2 vs Spit9   Spit 9.
109G14 vs Spit8    Spit 8,  the earlier 109 models stand a better chance of exploiting any mistakes.
109K4 vs Spit14    K4 all the way,  Spit 14's handling slow is dodgy.  The 16, 8 and 9 would all lick a 109k4 if he stood and turn fought. 

Hopper and Jo have thrown various 109's around to really make my Spitty work 100% to beat them but the 109 vs spit fight is much closer than some luft cry babies would make out as long as they fly with aggression, purpose and stick time. 

I have...He knows who he is. 

[Latrobe]

I have...He knows who he is. 

I'd like to meet this person. Sounds like it'd be one great fight.   

[Ardy123]

Hopper and Jo have thrown various 109's around to really make my Spitty work 100% to beat them but the 109 vs spit fight is much closer than some luft cry babies would make out as long as they fly with aggression, purpose and stick time. 

I remember a while back throwing my 109k4 against you and yarbles in the MA early in the morning(my time). It was fun but yes, in a turn fight, it was hopeless... 

[Pepprr]

I'd like to meet this person. Sounds like it'd be one great fight.   

You gave me nightmares!   

 

[GScholz]

109F vs Spit9    Spit 9  all the way haven't found a 109F pilot that would win in a straight out fight.

I'm sure I have, but I can't remember ever losing a 1-on-1 in the F to a IX.





Also, the F out turns the IX.