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Offline Debrody

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2012, 02:45:00 PM »
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2012, 05:16:22 PM »
I'm surprised no ones mentioned the Typhoon/Tempest against the P51-D, 109K-4 or to a lesser degree the 190D-9.
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2012, 07:18:26 PM »
I'm surprised no ones mentioned the Typhoon/Tempest against the P51-D, 109K-4 or to a lesser degree the 190D-9.


I sensed that the OP wanted historical matchups.  K-4 and Dora would be correct against the Temp, Typhoon and 51, but the T/T v 51 wouldn't quite be right.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2012, 07:46:38 PM »
K4 vs k4

51 vs 51

Spit9 vs spit9

You see where I'm going with this? These are the best fights the better pilot will win most of the time.
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2012, 07:51:21 PM »
K4 vs k4

51 vs 51

Spit9 vs spit9

You see where I'm going with this? These are the best fights the better pilot will win most of the time.
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2012, 07:57:06 PM »
Then why do you always beat me?  :old:
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2012, 10:10:03 PM »
K4 vs k4

51 vs 51

Spit9 vs spit9

You see where I'm going with this? These are the best fights the better pilot will win most of the time.

Only if you consider "the best fights" rolling scissors til the cows come home. That's not much of a measure of skill. The best matchups are NOT identical, but where the yin and the yang balance out. Where either plane has some card to play against the other. Like a 2-sided rock paper scissors. (no pun intended)

Thus leaving it up to the pilot to use the proper tool at the proper time.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2012, 11:10:16 PM »
K4 vs k4

51 vs 51

Spit9 vs spit9

You see where I'm going with this? These are the best fights the better pilot will win most of the time.

I was gonna say KI vs KI :rofl


and if Krusty can only fight in the scissors thats his problem  :aok 

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2012, 11:53:19 PM »
I believe you're wrong. The Italians were very happy to have a plane that could best the SpitVb on even terms. They reported it was more than a match overall and equally maneuverable as the the spitfire enemies they were up against.

It was said to be able to turn with hurricanes, as well. Far cry from our version.
All the Italian pilot reports I have read have one thing in common: Even in c205s they were able to easily turn inside the spit Vs, without even struggling. One Italian shot down 3 spits in 5 minutes in a 205, all in 1v1 fights. (They might have been spit 9s, It's been over a year since I read them)
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2012, 11:56:36 PM »
Only if you consider "the best fights" rolling scissors til the cows come home. That's not much of a measure of skill. The best matchups are NOT identical, but where the yin and the yang balance out. Where either plane has some card to play against the other. Like a 2-sided rock paper scissors. (no pun intended)

Thus leaving it up to the pilot to use the proper tool at the proper time.

Equal planes the winner flys away victorious. (Most of the time the better pilot)
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2012, 01:08:17 AM »
Equal planes the winner flys away victorious. (Most of the time the better pilot)

this I disagree with, the better shot will win 90% of the time....

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2012, 02:39:07 AM »
It's not that I can't rolling scissor. I just find it extremely dull and boring to do nothing but. I'm not the only one, but most 1v1 duels in same plane simply devolve into nothing but rolling scissors. Hell, even Batfink agreed with me on this point, and he does way more duels than I do.

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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2012, 03:17:47 AM »
Ink,
do you remember to our duels? And you know what a horrible shot i am.

Krusty:
the best fights are the endless rope-a-dopes and circle jerks, you know. Scissoring and overshooting is for the dumbnewbs like me.
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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2012, 04:26:23 AM »
Ink,
do you remember to our duels? And you know what a horrible shot i am.

Krusty:
the best fights are the endless rope-a-dopes and circle jerks, you know. Scissoring and overshooting is for the dumbnewbs like me.

you dont give yourself enough credit, you are very good dueler :aok
It's not that I can't rolling scissor. I just find it extremely dull and boring to do nothing but. I'm not the only one, but most 1v1 duels in same plane simply devolve into nothing but rolling scissors. Hell, even Batfink agreed with me on this point, and he does way more duels than I do.

I was messin with ya :neener:



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Re: Good matchups (P-51 vs FW190...)
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2012, 04:28:36 AM »
Good N1K matchups? I'm starting to learn the plane  :old:
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