cargo ships oilers surface only subs passenger liners random weather

[Rob52240]

Supply barges should be replaced with liberty ships.

[deadstikmac]

+1

[Krusty]

+1, and a Tsetse to shoot at em please

Hell, if we get targets like that, THIS is what the B-25H is designed for! Forget the tse-tse! 

[RTHolmes]

tsetse, 410, 25H - all good


edit: its about the only thing that would get me into a 410

[Krusty]

Heathen!! 

Get in that 410! Get in it, I say!!! 

[Fud]

Not being a grammar nazi here but, please use commas! it's the lil key next to the M lol it took me like 8 times reading that until I finally realized it was
Cargo Ships, Oilers, Surface Only Subs, Passenger Liners, and Random Weather

 

[RngFndr]

Invasion Fleets didn't use clunky 10 knot liberty ships to take troops into harms way..

They used "Assault troop transports" or (APA) for troops.. they would carry a regiment
of combat ready marines with all their equipment, and the Landing craft to put them on
the beach.. And "Assault Cargo Transports" (AKA) optimized for Heavy Vehicles and Equipment!
They were much Faster and Festooned with AAguns.. No easy target!

Wiki APA AKA.. Read the Book: AWAY ALL BOATS!

[Butcher]

Invasion Fleets didn't use clunky 10 knot liberty ships to take troops into harms way..

They used "Assault troop transports" or (APA) for troops.. they would carry a regiment
of combat ready marines with all their equipment, and the Landing craft to put them on
the beach.. And "Assault Cargo Transports" (AKA) optimized for Heavy Vehicles and Equipment!
They were much Faster and Festooned with AAguns.. No easy target!

Wiki APA AKA.. Read the Book: AWAY ALL BOATS!

Only the Americans used APA's and AKA's, most other countries used simple Barges and AK's if not destroyers, cruisers, tugboats etc.
Even then the Top Speed was around between 15-18knots for these attack ships, not much different from the 9 or 11 knots of the regular Tankers/AK's.

Liberty and Victory ships would be represented for Cargo, although I see no reason we can't have fast attack groups as well, throw a few APA's with a cruiser and destroyer combo that just roams the map.

Would make some nice targets to shoot at

[RngFndr]

Only the Americans used APA's and AKA's, most other countries used simple Barges and AK's if not destroyers, cruisers, tugboats etc.
Even then the Top Speed was around between 15-18knots for these attack ships, not much different from the 9 or 11 knots of the regular Tankers/AK's.

Liberty and Victory ships would be represented for Cargo, although I see no reason we can't have fast attack groups as well, throw a few APA's with a cruiser and destroyer combo that just roams the map.

Would make some nice targets to shoot at

I am all for having the whole Japanese Tokio express.. some of those fast "Lowboy Destroyers", (they cut down the fantails to side launch 2 landing barges) But what are you going to have, Sherman tanks rolling off a Japanese Barge??? OK, Chi Ha medium tank??? Sure, but that just means more development time... On and On..

BTW, the diff of a ship moving 15 to 18 knots vs 9 to 11 knots IS HUGE.. 18 knots is about the cruising speed of the Battleship and other fleet bombardment units.. 18 vs 11 is huge, Especially when traveling 1000miles plus across the pacific, to the target.. It ain't like Putt Puttin across the Channel, ya know..

Great Possibilities for "Enemy" ships in "Attack Groups".. Like maybe the 2 German Battlecruisers, with a screen of DD's.. Or the same idea with Japanese ships.. That would be very cool, because they would have no amphibious specialty..

We seem to be fixated on US Navy Equipment, for the landing operation, USN did most of it in the war, would look stupid mixing nationalities..

[RTHolmes]

atlantic convoys averaged about 6kts iirc, if the escorts engaged subs it would take them a day to catch up again ... 

[Butcher]

We seem to be fixated on US Navy Equipment, for the landing operation, USN did most of it in the war, would look stupid mixing nationalities..

Biggest problem is the Japanese really didn't have landing ships for example, the SNLF units japan used to storm the pacific were basically big enough units to fit everything they needed into one xAK transport. Most of the pacific was undefended if lightly defended by a garrison unit.
That or they used Barges to roam around islands or bases - they really had no need for assault landing ships since none of the places were really defended.

American's learned real quick on guadalcanal that they need to be able to offload equipment and troops extremely quick, you can't have an xAK or xAP trying to unload for days on end - thus is where SeaBees came into light when they could make an artificial harbor out of nothing, turning some places like
Lunga into huge ports to offload quick.

[surfinn]

+1  It would be interesting to have a percentage of the liberty ships out fitted with a couple of maned 5inch and machine guns to surprise the PT boat;)

[sandflea]

I think the idea is they would be coasters or convoys on fixed supply routes, not player controlled. maybe chuck in the odd flak ship too

who would own them though, and how would you know? by the ensign?

just have each one fly a flag for the country

[hawkeyeluke13]

Maybe , with the new strat system, lets set up a new supply system, where cargo ships leave from strats to resupply bases, and in order for bases to get resupped they have to be resupped from the supply line. I dont know, we would have to play with a new supply system. Like there is a thousand troops at A5, well all 1000 get killed , so they have to be brought all the way from strats to A5 , by the supply line, or we could add some more trans planes and you have to pick up supps from strats and take them to bases and maybe supply depots on the front, An civilian airport would look good in the middle of strats, the plane would have to taxi next to the supplies , hit a button like load field sups and then fly them to a base that needs them.

Maybe it's time for the C-54

[RngFndr]

I can imagine hearing the "Base Under attack" system prompt.. It is a seaside base, with the town near the shore.. I raise the alarm! Jumping in a "shore battery gun director", (2 tube, 14inch disappearing battery) just in time to see "The Invasion Fleet" sneaking quickly up the coast toward the town.. About that time the Carrier Planes would swarm in, to Blast the shore batteries.. Then the Bombardment Battleship in the Invasion Fleet starts pounding the town and the base.. I get off a few shots from the battery director position, (with a Rangefinder), damaging the battleship, before the aircraft blast the guns.. But the battleship is still shooting, tearin up the town and base.. Friendly Tanks are pourin out of the VH, heading for the area between the beach and the town.. Clouds of our Fighters and Attack planes are screamin down the runway.. Cant see the Carrier, because it is over the horizon, giving their pilots some room to get Alt before entering the fight.. From the 14" Director Position, high on the hill, I have full view of the Action.. The enemy LSD's, (landing ship dock, with a well deck), are Launching LVT's and LCT's, (Landing Craft Tank, Carries 6 Shermans) Enemy Player DD's come sweeping in, close to shore, blasting the (Auto machinegun nests and 20mm anti boat gun positions) at the shoreline.. Our tanks are trading heavy fire with the Destroyers, some are dead in the water, burning.. Massive swirling dogfight over the invasion fleet and the town.. Our attack planes are blasting away at the "Spawn Ships", (Work Like Hangars, APA's LSD's etc),hile their planes are pounding the base and anything that moves.. Fighter are trying to kill the attack planes and fight eachother.. A swarm of LVT's and a couple LCT's are at the shorline, ramps drop and the Tanks come swarming out.. About then the Shore Battery guns Pop, and things get really crazy, till the aircraft kill them again..