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Offline Eric19

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2012, 03:42:06 PM »
Doesn't going auto climb then jump into gunner position put you in level flight?
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2012, 03:57:10 PM »
Doesn't going auto climb then jump into gunner position put you in level flight?

If you are talking about auto-speed (alt-X) it maintains while you are in gun positions.  It will, however, put you on standard autopilot if you are not already on it and jump to a gun position.
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2012, 12:23:26 AM »
B25J pwns we so need it!
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2012, 06:32:24 PM »
The B-25 (C/H) aren't all that much of a bullet sponge, it really depends on where you hit them.  Hit them aft of the cockpit and it will soak up some damage because the rounds are largely hitting areas with no vital, critical components.  Hit near or forward of the cockpit, wing root (especially vulnerable part on the Mitchell), or engine and you'll be very surprised at how little ammunition it takes.  It takes me no more than a solid burst at the wing root or engine to catch a Mitchell on fire and it takes me no more than 3 passes to take out a formation.  Those FW 190s you ran up against were obviously not very good shooters.

Again, it really depends on where you land your shots.  I have no troubles with the 20mm cannon on the P-38 when engaging Mitchells, even the quad .50s are more than sufficient enough to down an entire formation.

Sure, the B-25C can defend itself but against a determined attacker that knows what he's doing, the B-25C doesn't have a snow ball's chance in Hell.  This is the one bomber in which it is safe to engage from slighly below (to keep out of the top turret's line of fire) the dead six position and sit there plinking away at the Mitchell and there is nothing but that the Mitchell driver can do other than cringe and pucker up.  Even coming from above, the top turret really isn't that much of a threat unless you are careless in your attack.  Broadside attacks are also quite effective against the Mitchell.  

As for the Me 262s that attacked you, all your anecdote does is tell me that you ran into a couple of Me 262 drivers that didn't know squat in attacking a bomber.

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That's quite dismissive. Please keep in mind I'm utter RUBBISH as a bomber gunner. Absolutely the worse. And yet I've survived a massive onslaught of 190D-9s attacking me and made it out alive. I've shot down Me262s, something my aim should never have allowed. You only have to bank into a shallow turn to track targets setting up below you and fire on them as they come at you.

You can't say the attackers sucked, because the 190s were quite skilled and the 262s were serveral encounters and repeated on different days as well. It wasn't the same idiot every time.

As for my FIGHTER gunnery, it is quite good. I'm not the BEST shot, but damn sure well know how to shoot 4x20mm at a bomber. I made 3 runs on a single B-25C in a Fw190A8 (4x20mm) and landed hits squarely on the fuselage just forward of the wings but behind the cockpit.

Further, when I hit one repeatedly with 37mms (this has happened on numerous occasions, as I enjoy flying P-39s) it has been in vital spots. Spots including wing areas where fuel was stored, engines (point blank), and even directly below the cockpit glazing with a side-angle.

You may not have much regard for the B-25's capabilities, but denying it soaks up damage is ludicrous.

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2012, 06:49:24 PM »

You may not have much regard for the B-25's capabilities, but denying it soaks up damage is ludicrous.

It's not that I don't have a regard for the defensive capablilities of the B-25, I just don't have high regard for claims such as yours when the "evidence" is more indicitive of pilot ability than the plane itself.  As for denying it soaks up damage, I don't think I did that anywhere in my post. 

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The B-25 (C/H) aren't all that much of a bullet sponge, it really depends on where you hit them.  Hit them aft of the cockpit and it will soak up some damage because the rounds are largely hitting areas with no vital, critical components.  Hit near or forward of the cockpit, wing root (especially vulnerable part on the Mitchell), or engine and you'll be very surprised at how little ammunition it takes.  It takes me no more than a solid burst at the wing root or engine to catch a Mitchell on fire and it takes me no more than 3 passes to take out a formation.  Those FW 190s you ran up against were obviously not very good shooters.


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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2012, 06:54:08 PM »
You suggested it. And "aft of the cockpit" is not devoid of important vital areas. Not the least of which includes the wing frames/spars, fuel tanks, major control surfaces. It's not just an empty shell, and if it's modeled as such that modeling is flat out WRONG, and will, as a matter of fact result in "bullet sponge" like features.

It means you are shooting bullets into something with good hits but doing no damage. It's a flaw in the damage modeling, rather than "you're not doing it right" -- because even when done right it still takes a beating.

The only way it's NOT a bullet sponge is with direct pilot kills -- but this is true of any plane. It shouldn't be factored in any more than on the B17, B24, or Lancaster, as they also pop very quickly when you shoot the pilot through the cockpit.

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2012, 07:04:18 PM »
Mmmm, flying PBJs.....
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2012, 10:13:16 PM »
Mmmm, flying PBJs.....
:aok I still think that this aircraft would be one of the most, if not the most used medium bombers in game if it were added. 

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2012, 10:55:47 PM »
PBJ's looks almost identical to the B-25J could some please tell me the differences?
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2012, 12:46:38 AM »
PBJ's looks almost identical to the B-25J could some please tell me the differences?
its the same thing just renamed because that's how the marines roll. :D

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #70 on: September 08, 2012, 01:20:37 AM »
b25J would be a great late war level bomber. much more popular than b25c by far it would be.
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2012, 08:38:21 PM »
+1 for b-25J
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2012, 12:58:45 AM »
+2000

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2013, 02:03:28 PM »
I would love to see it in the game +1000

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2013, 02:31:21 PM »
+2000  :D