A horde or just not discipline formation flying?

[Bruv119]

I had great fun flying against the bish horde yesterday and reckon I could foil every attack if I had another 5 invisible wingman and a GV defence wing to roll tanks and wirbs to town.

Some countries when under attack just don't up with enough force to prevent the place from getting smashed.  Too busy arguing and complaining.

[Oldman731]

The complaints about "hording" are only valid when there are so many on one team. I've gone in and seen it, twice the numbers on one team than there are on the other two combined. Not only is this unsporting, it's really counter the intent of the game. Everyone....can you spell G A M E ? SURE you can! I see it in the DA too frequently, too. Got kicked out of a squad because they were horders who didn't like one of their own shooting them down. I believe in fair play, keeping sides even and being honorable. That's what GAMES are about. This isn't real life, so don't spout " they did it in RL" to justify your lack of ability to perform ACMS and shoot someone in the face. Don't game the game to gain extra "perks", it's just plain dishonorable.

I think I like this guy.

- oldman

[tunnelrat]

Out of the three, the DD gets my vote for actually having missions and not hordes. Although I usually stay away from those missions anyways.  

I am sure ET will appreciate that...

He generally does missions with B-17s with escort fighters (51s, 47s, 38s), and almost always imparts some wisdom/asks some trivia questions (i.e., what's the antenna called on X part of your plane).

It's always an organized affair, and the bomber formations themselves are usually pretty tight (sometimes if we get a bunch of newer players, they can fan out a bit)

 

[ALFAMEGA51]

I had great fun flying against the bish horde yesterday and reckon I could foil every attack if I had another 5 invisible wingman and a GV defence wing to roll tanks and wirbs to town.

Some countries when under attack just don't up with enough force to prevent the place from getting smashed.  Too busy arguing and complaining.

^ This

[tunnelrat]

^ This

x5

[Chalenge]

You can bomb stuff offline for free if you want to avoid an engagement. I stand by my statement. Every single person who pays to play this game does so to have interaction with other players online. If this wasn't true, we'd all be playing MS flight sim by ourselves. If the sole object was to roll bases, we'd all be on the same team fighting AI.

As I said... completely untrue. I know of at least four people playing this game that bail if they get even near an engagement. I climb up to them... fly out in front... and just when I turn in to engage they bail. One guy last month did that more than 200 times.

Then there are the porkers. They didnt come to your base to fight they just want the radar dead. They might give you a proxy but not a fight.

Many many many pilots on all sides dive into a base and make two or three passes trying to pick a kill but lack the ability to land telling blows and end up running home.

@Shuffler - Whining about getting killed even in a creative whining way is still whining.

[ALFAMEGA51]

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[The Fugitive]

I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".

Your new and have a lot to learn about what is available in this game, yes I said GAME. It is NOT a war, even the owner said so, because war is NOT fun, and a game is suppose to be. Look at it from this angle. Your playing cards, the game is "war" (you know the one where you flip a card, your opponent flips a card and the higher card wins the "battle" and you keep doing this until one player is out of cards to win the war"). Picture you starting with all the aces, kings, queens and jacks. You win. there is no point in even playing it out, because your opponent can never throw a winning card right? So there is now no point to the GAME, and so no point to play. This is what happens now. A horde moves in and very few defend because for the most part, nobody can play a winning card. Sure there are some that excel at that type of fighting, but those that can fight AND win against horde type numbers are the very few top few percentage of players.

This is exactly what I was thinking last night, as a Knight, when all those P-51's came in (V78 I think?).  Easy access to lotsa Targets of Opportunity.  

How many kills did you get? Did you stop the horde from capturing? With 8 kills this past week I'm guessingyou didn't fare to well against them. How long is it going to be fun playing this game if all you get to do is roll down the runway and get towered out all the time?

That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.

Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.

this from the guy who was complaining about buffs that bail.

The complaints about "hording" are only valid when there are so many on one team. I've gone in and seen it, twice the numbers on one team than there are on the other two combined. Not only is this unsporting, it's really counter the intent of the game. Everyone....can you spell G A M E ? SURE you can! I see it in the DA too frequently, too. Got kicked out of a squad because they were horders who didn't like one of their own shooting them down. I believe in fair play, keeping sides even and being honorable. That's what GAMES are about. This isn't real life, so don't spout " they did it in RL" to justify your lack of ability to perform ACMS and shoot someone in the face. Don't game the game to gain extra "perks", it's just plain dishonorable.

numbers can be countered by honor. If you find yourself leading a horde split it up and have half hit one country, and the other half hit the other. Make a competition out of it, "Mini horde A, Mini horde B, who can capture their base first?" If the leaders of the hordes show a little class/honor and break them up EVERYONE has more fun.

 

[Butcher]

Someone show the photo of two missions 1 sector apart completely by passing each other so they could hit undefended targets.

[uptown]

A horde is when more then one is on my arse !    

[blazer65]

How many kills did you get? Did you stop the horde from capturing? With 8 kills this past week I'm guessingyou didn't fare to well against them. How long is it going to be fun playing this game if all you get to do is roll down the runway and get towered out all the time?
 

How many kills did I get in that rush? I honestly have no clue, and dont give toejam.  I dont play this game to rack up a score, and never ever check my score, or anyone elses for that matter.  I pay to play this game to fly with my squad in the events, and I just have fun messing around in the MA's.  The fact you asked how many kills I had shows you have a different view of what this game is, and what makes it fun for you than I do.  

Did I stop the horde from capturing?  I have no idea if they even did capture that base while I was there, and I wouldn't care if they did.  I think you missed the point of my post, that I dont care if they capture or not, I have fun flying and fighting in the furball with all the targets there to shoot at and practice against.  Do you really play in the LWA for strategic warfare that is in anyway realistic?

How fun will it be if I get towered out from being picked off on the runway all the time?  First, this doesn't happen all the time anyways.  And I've been playing for years, so I know exactly how much fun I have in all the different situations.  I do have fun trying to get up and maybe take one or two down with me sometimes during a swarm.  Unlike yourself, I dont give a rip about scores or ratios in the MA's, so its not a concern of mine how many times I get vulched.  I know what situation I'm taking off under when that is the case and my expectations match the situation.  However, theres a simple solution here either way: dont take off from the base thats getting swarmed.  I was upping from the base over and coming in with plenty of altitude to fight.  Its not like these maps are that spread out, it takes 5 minutes to get to the next base over.  

If those guys in the horde are having fun, then more power to them.  If you care that much, do some work and organize a force to compete with it.  Obviously someone on that side is taking the time and effort to organize it.  

The LWA is for nothing but practice for the events for me, and probably alot of other guys.  Dont take yourself too seriously bro, especially in the MA's.  

[pervert]

Logged in tonight most of my time spent flying around finding nothing or guys taking a base with no opposition, completely boring waste of my time.

[ap1102]

  Ive been playing this game for 3 years now. I have flown knight and rook. Every side has a complaint about the horde. Recently our squad (DEVIL DOGS) has become the subject of horde like behavior. Let me state very clearly that I do not consider our squad a horde.  In AH I define a horde as a loosely assembled group of individuals with no real purpose other than to overwhelm an opponent through numbers alone with no other objective but to make as many kills and then flee and land with your name in lights without taking the base.

When we formed this squad last year (ET37, A8Prowlr and myself) our sole purpose was to begin winning the maps and have fun doing it. We recruited players with a like mindset. We have evolved from humble beginnings into one of the largest squads in the game. That didnt happen by accident. Our missions usually succeed because we emphasize training our bomber pilots into dropping hangers hangers in the first pass( this is why we dont have an over abundance of bombers in the missions), teaching the goon or M3 drivers how to hide and get to the town when it becomes ready, teaching ACM and wingman discipline to our guys in the fighter wing.  This takes time , patience and a desire to pass along how to play a game with a steep learning curve to newer players. Last night we started 3 missions and took the base each time. We have non squad members join the missions because they know we are there to provide leadership and direction on taking the base and have fun in the process of doing it.

We have faced many talented players who have busted the missions by killing the goon because they are able to think. if you kill the goon you can basically kill the mission on any base take. Instead of complaining that your base is getting taken organize a defense to combat the attack on your base. We love it when we are challenged by another squad or group when we are running missions. it makes it more interesting  to have a well organized defense attempt to stop us. Sometimes they are successful sometimes not but usually both sides are enjoying the fight. The real lack of leadership is what I feel perpetuates this complaint about hording.  <S>


EZRhino
CO ~~~DEVIL DOGS~~~
~~~DEVIL DOGS FS~~~

  

[LCADolby]

Hmm Devil Dogs ... Ah Devil Dogs ... Oh Devil Dogs ... Where do I start ...

Mission orientated horde of a more organised nature, MOHOAMON for short.

MOHOAMONs are nothing new, LCA under the guidance of 96Delta often were found doing themed missions to take a bases.
These gentle folk were still labelled as a horde, regardless of the theme (Lancs escorted by Hurri mk1 and spit Mk1 was one to remember,) and the Devil Dogs will not dodge that for consistency sake.

That term again, MOHOAMON

Complaints about hordes come from one reoccurring theme; an overwhelming force at an undefended base.

(What happened to the fun police anyone remember those missions that took bases that were defended by a furball. Irritating for the furballers but the bases were technically defended.)

[Rob52240]

I hate hordes means the same thing to me as saying
"I need some form of validation after I feel like I lost"