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Offline Scherf

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #180 on: September 10, 2012, 10:34:45 PM »
BS

All aircrew were volunteers.

No-one fiorced them into the air.

If they then refused to fly, they were classed LMF.

No RAF aircrew were coerced into flying. Not in Bomber Command, not in Fighter Command or in Coastal Command. Not one.




You are a ****ing ignoramus if you think otherwise.
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... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #181 on: September 10, 2012, 10:38:35 PM »
Check out a documentary called "Whispers in the Air"..
Apparently, people who were there, disagree with you..
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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #182 on: September 10, 2012, 10:47:26 PM »
Looks like Neoconshooter has found another board for his Brit bashing.
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Offline Scherf

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #183 on: September 10, 2012, 10:48:41 PM »
The second part of your statement was that BC crews were driven to "certain" death.

Here's a table of % chance of survival for various loss rates and number of ops. Number of ops is down the left, loss rates across the top, life expectancy in terms of number of ops in the cells. I've explained if for you as you're clearly a ****ing imbecile.



Next, here's a chart of monthly loss rates. Go ahead and point out the periods in which, in which airforce, death was certain.



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... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #184 on: September 10, 2012, 10:51:09 PM »
Quote from: MiloMorai on September 10, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Looks like Neoconshooter has found another board for his Brit bashing.

You have really weird preconceptions.. :lol
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Offline Scherf

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #185 on: September 10, 2012, 10:52:31 PM »
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... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

Offline RngFndr

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #186 on: September 10, 2012, 11:02:28 PM »
Quote from: Scherf on September 10, 2012, 10:52:31 PM
You might also want to check out this book.

There's lots of big words, so you might find it hard going, ****wit.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=05r3KO7OXhEC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=LMF+in+the+RAF+book+series&source=bl&ots=I9ecwu0mdS&sig=YrMORcRIPksOl8eI7lsOLUAtol0&hl=en#v=onepage&q=LMF%20in%20the%20RAF%20book%20series&f=false

OK sorry, not certain death, lol.. But enough to warrant
policies to prevent mass refusal.. I'd say that is significant..

And it still does not change the fact that RAF Policy..
Was to force them to fly, By Coercion and Branding..
This is admitted!

Directives were even issued to make sure the practice
received no media attention, in fear of public opinion..

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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #187 on: September 10, 2012, 11:39:30 PM »
The 8th AF had ~2000 airmen removed from flying duties due LMF and emotional reasons between 1942 and 1945.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=05r3KO7OXhEC&pg=PA161&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

As for being forced, the USA had conscription. :eek: Aprox. 22,000 COs and evaders were sent to prison.
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Offline danny76

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #188 on: September 11, 2012, 01:31:40 AM »
Quote from: RngFndr on September 10, 2012, 10:38:35 PM
Check out a documentary called "Whispers in the Air"..
Apparently, people who were there, disagree with you..

Check out a thing called "reality", not just sitting in you tin foil hat watching skewed docentaries.
Apparently everyone here disagree's with you :aok
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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #189 on: September 11, 2012, 03:59:58 AM »
Quote from: RngFndr on September 10, 2012, 10:51:09 PM
You have really weird preconceptions.. :lol

The only consistent point you seem to be making is that the British Army and now the R.A.F. are morbidly stupid and oppressed their own people.

Only in the bizarre world of the Aces High Forum would Britain be portrayed as the evil wrongdoers of the Second World War.

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #190 on: September 11, 2012, 04:36:09 AM »
The battle of the bulge was the Ardennes offensive, "A Tank Too Far"
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Offline RngFndr

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #191 on: September 11, 2012, 07:47:38 AM »
Quote from: danny76 on September 11, 2012, 01:31:40 AM
Check out a thing called "reality", not just sitting in you tin foil hat watching skewed docentaries.
Apparently everyone here disagree's with you :aok

"Reality" is what I am talking about..
If you cannot accept it, don't try to blame that on me!
Saying it Never Happened, is denial.. That is your problem, not mine!

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Offline RngFndr

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #192 on: September 11, 2012, 07:51:08 AM »
Quote from: nrshida on September 11, 2012, 03:59:58 AM
The only consistent point you seem to be making is that the British Army and now the R.A.F. are morbidly stupid and oppressed their own people.

Only in the bizarre world of the Aces High Forum would Britain be portrayed as the evil wrongdoers of the Second World War.



I never said they are the "evil wrongdoers" of WW2..
Those are YOUR words, do not attribute them to me..
Are you stupid or what?
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Offline LCADolby

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #193 on: September 11, 2012, 07:55:46 AM »
My Grandfather volunteered, I have a fanstic collection of war photos from India and Burma.
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Offline RngFndr

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Re: Operation Market Garden
« Reply #194 on: September 11, 2012, 07:58:06 AM »
Quote from: MiloMorai on September 10, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
The 8th AF had ~2000 airmen removed from flying duties due LMF and emotional reasons between 1942 and 1945.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=05r3KO7OXhEC&pg=PA161&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

As for being forced, the USA had conscription. :eek: Aprox. 22,000 COs and evaders were sent to prison.

That is Absolutely True...

Now, if I started having a hissyfit for even mentioning it??

Then I'd be in the boat with you guys, in denial of "Reality".. :rofl
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