Unperk the Mosquito Mk. XVI

[icepac]

Icepak, I guess I had a bit of lag because I did not see that last part of your post where you put the "Warbirds" quote in.

I know I was a jerk in Warbirds and have said so before.  When I came to Aces High, I changed everything except my name.  I am not a jerk anymore I believe.

I have apologized for my behavior.  I owned up to it and kept my name instead of hiding from my previous mistakes with a shade.  I have been not only civil to you sir, but frankly kind, I've
been as nice as as I can be to everyone here.

This is not the first time you have slapped me up the side of the head about the Warbirds stuff.  I get it, you don't like me.  I'm never going to be able to change your mind.

I give up, you win sir.  What would you have me do ?

You lied in your apology which makes it worthless so I really can't put any weight into what you say now either.

The films prove this out.

I gave my forgiveness in our PM conversation here and it only took a few weeks before you made that conversation worthless.


Back to the Mossie.

I have no problem with the perks being removed but a new fighter variant with the same performance as the current bomber might need some perking.

[Zoney]

Icepak, sir, are you talking about Aces High or Warbirds?

If it is Aces high, you may be mistaken.  I believe your complaint is about me bailing when in trouble.  I have bailed maybe 3 times in 3 years playing Aces High, all 3 was when I was stupid and hit enter 3 times by mistake.  I do not know what you mean when you say I lied after our PM conversation.

[Karnak]

Back to the Mossie.

I have no problem with the perks being removed but a new fighter variant with the same performance as the current bomber might need some perking.

Why so?  There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30.  The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free.  The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.

[tunnelrat]

Why so?  There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30.  The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free.  The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.

It would be pretty fantabulous to have radar equipped fighters project a dar cone X meters in front of them.

[Nathan60]

It would be pretty fantabulous to have radar equipped fighters project a dar cone X meters in front of them.

Or on jeeps  so we can drive  into enemy territory and  be like  a radar picket line, or when the horde kill the dar at a field.

[icepac]

Why so?  There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30.  The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free.  The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.

I said "might need perking".

We won't know until it is in game for a bit.

One of the things that might make perking needed would be if HTC could implement it's radar which you could use to see enemy beyond visual range and outside of any active dar ring.

[Karnak]

It would be pretty fantabulous to have radar equipped fighters project a dar cone X meters in front of them.

AWACS did not exist in WWII.  The avionics of any nightfighter in AH would need to be nonfunctional.

As far as a personal DAR cone, well, you'd be in icon range about the time you were in radar range.

I said "might need perking".

We won't know until it is in game for a bit.

One of the things that might make perking needed would be if HTC could implement it's radar which you could use to see enemy beyond visual range and outside of any active dar ring.

As noted above, airborne radar range wasn't nearly that far.  It was much better than nothing at night, but wouldn't be useful at all in clear daylight.

[Scca]

....What would you have me do ?

Quit flying higher than him and level out and go AFK when you see his icon?

The Mossie perk is fine.  It could be a little lower, but it's not all that awful.   

[Eric19]

I'd say honestly just drop the perk value down to like 15 or 10 something like that and do the same with the 29 drop its perk value by like half or something it is a very difficult bomber to use up at 30k

[SmokinLoon]

PM me in the arena when you are over the strats with a mossie.

Again, you missed the entire point. 

[Butcher]

Why so?  There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30.  The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free.  The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.

From what I gather the Mossy NF.30 would be 10-15 eny at most. With a top speed of 407mph (just going by what my books say for now) It simply will not out perform anything - its only best option is speed and 4 hispanos in the nose.

Facts are the P-38L tips 400 at 25+, so the NF.30 is no faster, with wep the 38L is faster by a small margin.
Acceleration wise would be interesting, 38L is 5 seconds faster getting to 300mph then Mossy 16, then again not sure on the NF.30.
Climb rate would be quite an improvement, from barely 2000 in the mossy to 2,850 fpm, however 38L still out climbs it.
Turn radius the Mossy wins, however in the vertical, the 38 will win every time, not sure exactly what NF.30 would have, didn't check the wing loading.

As for the guns - 4 hispanos is its biggest asset, as for weight the NF.30 tops out at 21,500 full fuel and guns.

[icepac]

Again, you missed the entire point. 

Nope.......My point is that the Mossie is interceptable by a number of planes.

Sure, a mossie can duck in and bomb two town centers along the coast and duck back out but I can do that in a D3A as well.

[ALFAMEGA51]

Wish i was badass as this guy 

[bj229r]

A P51D with over a half tank of fuel would take a lot of out lasting and a ton of fancy flying in a plane with no guns. The guy should have maybe tried but he would still lose two of his drones to me even if he got away in one plane. The way he did it I flew after him for 10 minutes and got nothing. It is called Scorched Earth Policy. I will burn it all and die before I give it to you.   

I was doing the lone Mossie thing at 19k or so last month....had a co-alt 51 chase me for some 3 sectors....when he got to 1.0k, I'd hit the wep again.....keep it on for a minute or so...then cycle it back off. (I'm sure his was on the whole time) A couple 1.0k pings for all that distance....he gave up

[Karnak]

Nope.......My point is that the Mossie is interceptable by a number of planes.

Sure, a mossie can duck in and bomb two town centers along the coast and duck back out but I can do that in a D3A as well.

 

Along the coast. I love it.

I have roamed across enemy countries with impunity in it, being barred only from the Me163 zone.  I had a Spitfire Mk XIV spend about 35 minutes trying to get me on one flight and I hardly had to adjust my course to prevent his interception.  Even Me262s aren't much of a threat as you can simply climb above where they can operate.

You are seriously equating the survivability of the Mosquito Mk XVI with that of the D3A1?