Stick stirring

[icepac]

I was away from keyboard upping a formation of buffs, heard some pings, and returned to find a p51 making passes at my buffs.

I manned the rear gun to find it down and watched the p51 collide with the lead plane as he shot it down.

I moved to a drone and watched him collide with the other drone but not down it.

He came back and collided with the third plane and flew away seeming undamaged.

How is it possible for a P51 to collide with 3 heavy buff planes within the space of 4 minutes and not be destroyed?

[guncrasher]

*Sigh*
I know why he didn't take damage. It wouldn't be fair for him to receive damage. I ALSO feel that he was the only one of the two of us who could've avoided that collision and since he had no reason to avoid it he came screaming though my plane on my screen. I sincerely believe, had he seen it, he would've tried to avoid it. This, IMO, punishes one player but not the other and ruined an epic fight. This has happened to me on the runway before. I spawned in and my prop was spooling up to have a vulcher collide with me on the runway. I wasn't even moving and got a collision message. Then I watched him fly away unscathed.

The collision model feels, to me, like getting a ticket for being rear ended at a stop light. All I'm saying is that both screens should say "You collided with XYZ" before any plane receives damage. I'm not saying the other guy should get injured or go spiraling down if he had no reason to avoid anything, but I shouldn't either.

In simple terms, either two pilots are equally responsible for the collision or there was no collision.

lilmak I totally understand your frustration and totally agree with you but this is one fight you arent going to win either.  I have gotten hit from behind way too many times trying to avoid a collision and got damage as a result while the other plane just flew away.

I also understand what hitech is trying to say when he says the other plane was rewarded for not colliding even though it was his actions that caused the collision.

the reason for the way collisions work they way they do now is for the good of the game.  we may not like it but that's how it is.  it's just like when you do your best to avoid the other pilot having a gun solution on you but your wing still falls off even though you can see that his nose wasnt even aiming in your direction.  that is also for the good of the game.

most people understand how the collision works but we dont like it but that's life.  and dont tell me I dont understand it as I understand why I have to go to work, but I dont have to like it either  .

so drink a beer and let it go   .


semp

[The Fugitive]

So what you're saying is that true collisions (both pilots see it) are so rare that no one would bother to try to avoid collisions at all? I guess, if that's the case, I'd rather continue to be punished for collisions that I can't avoid.

I do agree that "crap happens" and normally I just curse at my bad luck and grab another plane. It just makes me furious when I was in the middle of a great fight which is what I relish when I play. I don't like it when the other guys takes the collision and I fly away either. Especially since good fights seem to be more and more rare these days.

I think this is the thing that confuses most people about collisions. We are so tuned into "flying against other people" that we think of the collisions on the screen as the same thing, but it's not. For all intents and purposes it's only YOU when it comes to the collision model. It's what YOU do, because there is no other guy, just some pixels grouped together.

If you see a guy run into your buffs 3 times in 4 minutes and not get damaged, it is what YOU saw, not what HE saw. As long as you look at it that way you can easily understand the "hows" of it. The "why's" can get a bit complicated when dealing with the "internet", and really who cares. Just know that things would be so much worst if it wasn't set up the way it is.... people flying through your plane with guns going! It would be ridiculous.

[Karnak]

So what you're saying is that true collisions (both pilots see it) are so rare that no one would bother to try to avoid collisions at all? I guess, if that's the case, I'd rather continue to be punished for collisions that I can't avoid.

Unfortunately, yes.  Worse even is that the kind of movement that produces the chance for both to see the collision is easily identifiable so it becomes possible to fly through your target knowing you wont suffering a collision.

I do agree that "crap happens" and normally I just curse at my bad luck and grab another plane. It just makes me furious when I was in the middle of a great fight which is what I relish when I play. I don't like it when the other guys takes the collision and I fly away either. Especially since good fights seem to be more and more rare these days.

That is entirely understandable, but unfortunately we don't have the kind of communications to make it better.  Even if the data moved at light speed we'd still have noticeable lag between players in, say, London and Tokyo.

[LilMak]

people flying through your plane with guns going! It would be ridiculous.

Since this pretty much happens daily. I wouldn't want to encourage it to happen at greater frequency.

[hitech]

I was away from keyboard upping a formation of buffs, heard some pings, and returned to find a p51 making passes at my buffs.

I manned the rear gun to find it down and watched the p51 collide with the lead plane as he shot it down.

I moved to a drone and watched him collide with the other drone but not down it.

He came back and collided with the third plane and flew away seeming undamaged.

How is it possible for a P51 to collide with 3 heavy buff planes within the space of 4 minutes and not be destroyed?

Drones can not collide with another plane and suffer damage. But a plane can collide with a drone and suffer damage.

HiTech