Innovation - not jobs??

[guncrasher]

I live in Florida 2 miles from the beach. My house, car, truck and Harley are all paid for and I don't owe a dime to anyone. I am twice retired once from the Army and once from a privet company. I will be 60 at the end of Oct. I would say that is a pretty good standard of living. Even the sick lame lazy and crazy of this country live better than any place in the world. They have cars big screen TV's A/C free housing Medicaid and government issued cell phones in addition to food stamps. All at the expense of the American workers. Put this crowd in 90% of any other country in the world and these people we call our poor would be considered rich.

damn it i knew i should have stopped whining 10 years ago when i was homeless while making 50k a year.  between my truck, child support, insurance and gas, i could only afford to get a motel room once every other week.  I lived like like that for about 10 months taking showers in gas stations to save the 2 bucks that I would have spend at the truck stop.

my mom who is unemployed along with her boyfriend due to the economy are renting rooms to 2 other people.  once making 45k a year and he's my sister's boss, the other makes about 30k a year and neither one of them can afford a place of their own.  my mom and her boyfriend buy crap at yard sales and sell it at swapmeet to make ends meet.  my mom's boyfriend could have gotten unemployment but he didnt want it as he said that as long as he could walk he would somehow find something to work in.

myself will be homeless in about 4 to 5 months as my gf lost her job and I wont be able to make the apartment payments and that's how long our savings will last, my gf cant go back to work as she's got some really exciting news from her doctor last week after complaining about the same stuff for 2 years..  I know another guy that works in my company that makes 60k a year is married with 3 kids and lives in somebody's garage.

lots of us arent in bad shape because we are lazy or stupid.  but things are changing now and it's getting more expensive in some places.  I could move to another place that has a lower standard of living but then again they wont pay much in jobs to live there.

so if you can live a good live be happy about it.  some of us cant or will not soon live like that not due to being stupid or lazy, but sometimes that's how the cookie crumbles.  we dont beatch or moan or treat others as if they are inferior to us.

semp

[RngFndr]

damn it i knew i should have stopped whining 10 years ago when i was homeless while making 50k a year.  between my truck, child support, insurance and gas, i could only afford to get a motel room once every other week.  I lived like like that for about 10 months taking showers in gas stations to save the 2 bucks that I would have spend at the truck stop.

my mom who is unemployed along with her boyfriend due to the economy are renting rooms to 2 other people.  once making 45k a year and he's my sister's boss, the other makes about 30k a year and neither one of them can afford a place of their own.  my mom and her boyfriend buy crap at yard sales and sell it at swapmeet to make ends meet.  my mom's boyfriend could have gotten unemployment but he didnt want it as he said that as long as he could walk he would somehow find something to work in.

myself will be homeless in about 4 to 5 months as my gf lost her job and I wont be able to make the apartment payments and that's how long our savings will last, my gf cant go back to work as she's got some really exciting news from her doctor last week after complaining about the same stuff for 2 years..  I know another guy that works in my company that makes 60k a year is married with 3 kids and lives in somebody's garage.

lots of us arent in bad shape because we are lazy or stupid.  but things are changing now and it's getting more expensive in some places.  I could move to another place that has a lower standard of living but then again they wont pay much in jobs to live there.

so if you can live a good live be happy about it.  some of us cant or will not soon live like that not due to being stupid or lazy, but sometimes that's how the cookie crumbles.  we dont beatch or moan or treat others as if they are inferior to us.

semp

Ever been overseas??? (not a cruise in, or tourist trap?)
I remember a whole community, existing off of what was in our garbage!

[Ardy123]

Ever been overseas??? (not a cruise in, or tourist trap?)
I remember a whole community, existing off of what was in our garbage!

Depends on the country.... Unlike 30 years ago, technically we don't have the highest standard of living anymore. I believe we are no 13 in per-capita... and its been like that for at many years (pre-2008). We also have a gini coefficient that is closer to 3rd world countries than other first world countries (China and the USA have almost the same index). That being said, all of us are pretty damn lucky we were born Americans as the odds were against us...
300,000,000/7,000,000,000 = 4.2% chance.

[AKKuya]

When DARPA or other blackbag insititutions finally funds the money to the right non-moraled scientists and engineers, they will have created both robotic soldiers to wage war and human cloning with instant adult human form to create a slave class, then what will the humans do?

That is the end game for technology innovation.  Is that a utopian future or a dstopian future?  Depends on what side of the gun barrell your at.

[RngFndr]

Depends on the country.... Unlike 30 years ago, technically we don't have the highest standard of living anymore. I believe we are no 13 in per-capita... and its been like that for at many years (pre-2008). We also have a gini coefficient that is closer to 3rd world countries than other first world countries (China and the USA have almost the same index). That being said, all of us are pretty damn lucky we were born Americans as the odds were against us...
300,000,000/7,000,000,000 = 4.2% chance.

The "Oil economies" skew that graph a bit..

Some good points tho, true enough.. No doubt things are changing for the worse.. I've lived it, seen it happen..
As restrictions are placed on us, we loose the Liberties that created our magnificent prosperity in the first place..
Taking America down a few notches is just part of the plan.. People have forgotten what it's really about anyway!

The "Blessings of Liberty", will NOT be known by our posterity.. And we LET IT HAPPEN...
It is OUR failure!

[Melvin]

myself will be homeless in about 4 to 5 months as my gf lost her job and I wont be able to make the apartment payments and that's how long our savings will last, my gf cant go back to work as she's got some really exciting news from her doctor last week after complaining about the same stuff for 2 years.. 

If I'm not mistaken, you work in some sort of mill correct? Is it steel, wood, paper, grist, pulp, etc, etc?


The reason I ask is that if I had a background in this area (I actually do) and I were about to go homeless with a women that's about to go on disability, I'd move the hell away from their in a heartbeat. The option is always open for someone with skill Semp, and the country is loaded with mills. You might enjoy the quiet and solitude of the rural setting.

[zack1234]

I would not want to wish unemployment on anyone

I have kept my expenses low for the past twenty years and paid cash for everything 

When I die they will have sore eyes looking for my money

I have told the Wife to put be in the trash when its all over

[jimson]

damn it i knew i should have stopped whining 10 years ago when i was homeless while making 50k a year.  between my truck, child support, insurance and gas, i could only afford to get a motel room once every other week.  I lived like like that for about 10 months taking showers in gas stations to save the 2 bucks that I would have spend at the truck stop.

Is there something you are leaving out?

Were you making payments on one of the most expensive, gas guzzling trucks ever built and did you have 10 kids to pay child support on?

Not doubting you, but it seems weird that you would have needed to be homeless making 50K ten years ago.

[SEraider]

When DARPA or other blackbag insititutions finally funds the money to the right non-moraled scientists and engineers, they will have created both robotic soldiers to wage war and human cloning with instant adult human form to create a slave class, then what will the humans do?

That is the end game for technology innovation.  Is that a utopian future or a dstopian future?  Depends on what side of the gun barrell your at.

The elite class is involved a lot with human progress and <R>Evolution.  They seem to rewrite what morality is in the name of know what is good for you.  If what the narrarator says is correct and at the end of each decade, there are less jobs; I am very curious what it means to world population. 

[guncrasher]

Is there something you are leaving out?

Were you making payments on one of the most expensive, gas guzzling trucks ever built and did you have 10 kids to pay child support on?

Not doubting you, but it seems weird that you would have needed to be homeless making 50K ten years ago.

not really, i was a window and door installer.  meaning I had to buy my own materials and gas for the truck which was about 25k including my truck payment and insurance.  I did use up a full tank of gas as I was driving around 200 miles a day.  my child support was 700 bucks a month for 3 kids.  also of course had to pay taxes and food.  after that there wasnt much money left to for anything else.  keep in mind that I made most of my money during the summer  when I average about 3k every two weeks which is when I could afford an apartment while during the winter I made a lot less which is when I couldn't afford an apartment.  during the winder I would just barely make enough to pay for the truck, materials, gas and child support.  I used to joke to my friends that I was the only homeless person that had a cell phone which i needed for work.

one thing that really helped me was that my ex-wife's aunt worked for the child support office in los angeles so they were very helpful in forcing me to pay more in child support than I normally would have.




semp

[Melvin]

Sometimes a change of scenery is a good thing semp... just sayin'.

[R 105]

not really, i was a window and door installer.  meaning I had to buy my own materials and gas for the truck which was about 25k including my truck payment and insurance.  I did use up a full tank of gas as I was driving around 200 miles a day.  my child support was 700 bucks a month for 3 kids.  also of course had to pay taxes and food.  after that there wasnt much money left to for anything else.  keep in mind that I made most of my money during the summer  when I average about 3k every two weeks which is when I could afford an apartment while during the winter I made a lot less which is when I couldn't afford an apartment.  during the winder I would just barely make enough to pay for the truck, materials, gas and child support.  I used to joke to my friends that I was the only homeless person that had a cell phone which i needed for work.

one thing that really helped me was that my ex-wife's aunt worked for the child support office in los angeles so they were very helpful in forcing me to pay more in child support than I normally would have.
 
 I had child support also so I know what you are talking about. I paid $684.00 a month support on a Cops salary in the 80 & early 90s. I worked side jobs like security and driving a truck on my days off. I worked a 3 days on 12 hr shifts and 4 days off at the PD. I worked a 7 day a weeks for 9 years without a single vacation day because I was cashing in my vacation days for the pay out. I finally left police work to drive hazardous materials for three times what I made as a Sergeant with 10 years on the job. I was still working a 70 hr week for the next 10 years. Maybe that is why I ended up with a quadruple by pass heart surgery at 47 and a stroke at 53. But I paid my support and all my living expenses to include three houses and yet another divorce along with Harley Davidson motor cycles and a third wife 17 years younger than me. I still think I had a great life because I was born in the USA and that afforded me financial opportunity to pay my life style even if it was destructive to me personally lol. 

semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

not really, i was a window and door installer.  meaning I had to buy my own materials and gas for the truck which was about 25k including my truck payment and insurance.  I did use up a full tank of gas as I was driving around 200 miles a day.  my child support was 700 bucks a month for 3 kids.  also of course had to pay taxes and food.  after that there wasnt much money left to for anything else.  keep in mind that I made most of my money during the summer  when I average about 3k every two weeks which is when I could afford an apartment while during the winter I made a lot less which is when I couldn't afford an apartment.  during the winder I would just barely make enough to pay for the truck, materials, gas and child support.  I used to joke to my friends that I was the only homeless person that had a cell phone which i needed for work.

one thing that really helped me was that my ex-wife's aunt worked for the child support office in los angeles so they were very helpful in forcing me to pay more in child support than I normally would have.




semp

So you didn't make 50k a year then. Once you deduct all your business expenses and taxes, that's what you make in the end.