Scores and Stats II

[Paladin3]

Ok, I searched around and did not find answers to all my questions so in short: where is the info on what each catagory means and how it is tabulated? I am trying to look at a few things that I have (KpD, Hit % and such) but I am not sure how to read the attack scores. Is there a stat that tells me about ordinance hit percentage?

Would be nice just to have a full up set of descriptions posted somewhere if we could make that happen.

Thanks.

[Lusche]

Is there a stat that tells me about ordinance hit percentage?

Yes: Damage Hit Percentage


For details: http://www.hitechcreations.com/Help-Section/Aces-High-Features/aces-high-help-scoring.html

[Paladin3]

  Lusche thank you sir. That is exactly what I was looking for. For some reason my search-foo was weak. Now I can crack some numbers and identify some deficiencies.

[Paladin3]

Does one point of damage equal one pound of ordinance? So if I drop 2 x 1000lb bombs and 6 rockets off a pony I should do 2500 points of damage right?

[Lusche]

Does one point of damage equal one pound of ordinance? So if I drop 2 x 1000lb bombs and 6 rockets off a pony I should do 2500 points of damage right?

Assuming we still speak about score (and not the ingame landed damage message), I wish it was anything like that...

Three factors come into play -

1) It's not a number based on pounds, but an internal "damage" unit
2) Your bombs can damage much more than just one object, so it can inflict a multiple of it's original damage value
3) And this is the most important factor: For some reason, damage points gained from destroying a specific object are depending on the size of the bomb/shell beign used. The bigger the bomb size is, the more points you get from destroying that object. The difference can be by a factor of 100 or so! That makes damage points quite an intransparent thing. When you look at a players score, you still don't know how much damage he really did inflict on objects.
I tested this inconsitency (which in my eyes is more of a bug than a 'feature') and brought it to HiTech's attention, but I don'T know if anything will be changed in the future,

[Paladin3]

Ok... Hrm... So is there a good way to analize the info to see a average of damage inflicted that makes sense if a pilot is mostly using the same aircraft / ordinance then? Trying to see where my squadies and I stand on strike missions and the numbers are mind numbing here.

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Assuming we still speak about score (and not the ingame landed damage message), I wish it was anything like that...

Three factors come into play -

1) It's not a number based on pounds, but an internal "damage" unit
2) Your bombs can damage much more than just one object, so it can inflict a multiple of it's original damage value
3) And this is the most important factor: For some reason, damage points gained from destroying a specific object are depending on the size of the bomb/shell beign used. The bigger the bomb size is, the more points you get from destroying that object. The difference can be by a factor of 100 or so! That makes damage points quite an intransparent thing. When you look at a players score, you still don't know how much damage he really did inflict on objects.
I tested this inconsitency (which in my eyes is more of a bug than a 'feature') and brought it to HiTech's attention, but I don'T know if anything will be changed in the future,

thats interesting, never knew that, not that I drop bombs at all, but thats something I would think people on country would have talked about....I wonder how many people actually know this.

[Lusche]

Ok... Hrm... So is there a good way to analize the info to see a average of damage inflicted that makes sense if a pilot is mostly using the same aircraft / ordinance then?

On bomber missions, you could use the landed damage message, which is way more consistent. But be aware it's really damage, merely damaged and not destroyed objects (and thus having no influence on game) do count.
I track my own "efficiency" by actually writing down the type and number of objects destroyed. If you are too busy inflight to scroll back and take notes, you could do the same from film afterwards.
You could do the same thing for strikes in attack planes too, where the "landed damage" message does not appear. It's just questionably if you really want to do all that work...

But in the end, it's very much a theoretical matter and not very meaningful at all, even within the limited scope of scoring. The factors bomb size and are object density do distort the 'results' on a massive scale.

Throw a 4k cookie into towns and you appear as master of efficiency with huge gains in damage hit% and damage score points.
Kill the city by skillfully putting the minimum required bomb weight on each square, and watch score 'suffer'...  

[Lusche]

thats interesting, never knew that, not that I drop bombs at all, but thats something I would think people on country would have talked about....I wonder how many people actually know this.

Almost nobody.
I guess some may have noted an odd inconsistency, but it seems nobody ever got really into it before. Heck, even I just shrugged off the strange results in terms of damage score points for years, before taking a closer look at it and do a series of tests

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Almost nobody.
I guess some may have noted an odd inconsistency, but it seems nobody ever got really into it before. Heck, even I just shrugged off the strange results in terms of damage score points for years, before taking a closer look at it and do a series of tests

was thinking the same thing....

[9thAFE]

that explains the "suffering" score when I do strat runs with 500 lbers instead of 1000 lbers. Very interesting information indeed that will make me think twice next time I plan a Bomb run somewhere as to what type of bomb I use lol. Would be nice to have more consistency in the information. I knew there was a cast difference between what you "Landed" and what the damage points in your stats are. I guess now I have a little more insight as to why. Maybe every sortie from now on should be with 4000 lb bombs 

[Lusche]

Maybe every sortie from now on should be with 4000 lb bombs  

To illustrate this:

Last tour I did a lot of attacks on the factories using the 4x4k and 8x2k loadouts in the B-29, both having the same nominal weight.

Average actual damage (by counting destroyed objects:) 4k - 18k lbs, 2k- 22klbs  (The 2k bomb is more powerful for it's weight than the 4k)
Average displayed landed damage  4k - 13k 'damage', 2k - 16k 'damage' (Displayed damage showed to be very much consistent, linerarly scaling with damage inflicted and independent of bomb size)
Average score damage points: 4k - 971K, 2k - 787K (For the same amount of damage inflicted, the 4k loadout gave me about 50% more damage points for score)

And same goes for GV:

I killed an SB with a M-16 and again got 1,016 score points for it.
Then I tried it with a M-18 (HE and AP). I was turreted shortly before I could kill the SB. But despite coming short of applying the required 3.9x1000lbs of damage, I still got 24,266 points of damage score.

[Hazard69]

Hmm, thats some very interesting information. Almost makes it seem as though the smaller bombs are destined to be hangar queens  

I suspect its skewed that way to allow for the fact that 2 500lbs > 1 1000lber. Stuff blown up with 1 1000lbs ought to score more than if u had dropped 2 500lbs on it. But I guess the multipliers used are a bit off, making it really favorable to use the larger bombs to buff up score.

For gameplay purposes though, I wonder if they ought to reverse it. I'll take  any excuse (even score padding ) to promote the use of the smaller bombs on the aircraft that had them.  
 

[Paladin3]

Interesting. Got it though, thanks. Started tracking it by hand a few days ago.