US Navy Fighters: F4U or F6F

[Randy1]

I was surprised no one mentioned the looking up and looking up and back problem in the latter corsairs.  To me that is a bigger problem than looking back in the F6F.  But then I only use them in carrier work so I may not have the head postion set right.

[bozon]

The rear views are a problem only if the enemy is behind you.
If the enemy is behind you, rear views are not you main problem right now.

[caldera]

Adjusted rear views on the F4U-1D:

Rear view:

Rear high view:

Straight up view:

Back left view:

Back right view:


These views are easily attained by using your keyboard arrows and page up/down keys.  There is no obstruction whatsoever.
Now compare with the Hellcat views (especially straight back view) and see there is a huge difference.

[Randy1]

Caldera, you start with a saved head position way forward and up then?

[bozon]

These views are easily attained by using your keyboard arrows and page up/down keys.  There is no obstruction whatsoever.
Now compare with the Hellcat views (especially straight back view) and see there is a huge difference.

In this 6 view the pilot head is partially outside the canopy. The F6F head limits keep a certain margin between the head an the canopy which limits the sideways head movement and prevent a good 6 view like this.

[TequilaChaser]

In this 6 view the pilot head is partially outside the canopy. The F6F head limits keep a certain margin between the head an the canopy which limits the sideways head movement and prevent a good 6 view like this.

yeah, this rearview of the later variant F4Us  looks really weird........ heck I can not even get that postion myself using hatswitchs / POV hats on my CH HOTAS........ can TrackIR obtain that???

just curious

TC

[caldera]

Caldera, you start with a saved head position way forward and up then?

Not sure which view you're referring to, but all views started with in-game defaults and were maximized with keyboard arrows (then saved with F10).

In this 6 view the pilot head is partially outside the canopy. The F6F head limits keep a certain margin between the head an the canopy which limits the sideways head movement and prevent a good 6 view like this.

Looks like his whole head is outsde to me.  I would even say the rear left and rear right views have the pilot's head slightly out of the cockpit.  The high rear view is totally unrealistic as well, as the pilot's head must be turned like an owl and resting on top of the gunsight.  That being said, this is a game and I have no problem with certain liberties taken in the name of playability.  Just wish the Hellcat was given the same consideration.  The views on the F6F have been revised twice since the remodel, but still aren't what they were beforehand.

yeah, this rearview of the later variant F4Us  looks really weird........ heck I can not even get that postion myself using hatswitchs / POV hats on my CH HOTAS........ can TrackIR obtain that???

just curious

TC

Don't know about TrackIR.  I just use the lowly hat switch. 

[shiv]

Mine is much the same on the 1A, using arrow buttons, page up and page down and F10:

[Slade]

And if the 6 view in the Hellcat was any use at all I would think you'd see a lot more of them in the arena.

I questioned this myself about a year ago.  So I had the New England Air Museum take pix from inside the F6 (I posted them here on BBS - search on them). The end result...Aces High NAILED it.  The 6 view we have in the F6 is exactly what pilots had in WWII.  Yes it is not great but there you go.

I talked to one F6 veteran pilot and asked him about.  He said if a plane got behind him he was not going stick stick around to see it, i.e. the tactics being used on zero's at the time he alluded to.

Rock on,

Slade  

[bozon]

The high rear view is totally unrealistic as well, as the pilot's head must be turned like an owl and resting on top of the gunsight.

I like to imagine the poses that the pilot would have to do to get the set views I use in the game: lying on the back on the cockpit floor with legs resting on the seat, standing up and bending over the instrument panel, sitting on the instrument panel facing backwards, face pressed against the side canopy like a 5 years old in a stationwagon... etc.

[Triton28]

I like to imagine the poses that the pilot would have to do to get the set views I use in the game: lying on the back on the cockpit floor with legs resting on the seat, standing up and bending over the instrument panel, sitting on the instrument panel facing backwards, face pressed against the side canopy like a 5 years old in a stationwagon... etc.

 

I was thinking about this the other day too, but I think this is one of those things that need a bit of compromise.  I'm all for realism but in the name of good fights (lose sight, lose fight) I'm comfortable pretending my pilot is granted circus performer skills every time he puts his flight suit on.   

[GScholz]

Yes, we have the Linda Blair view system. It's usually a good thing, but once in a while we have to invite Max von Sydow over...

[Saxman]

Could be worse. It could be like X-Wing: Alliance when your pilot could actually do SOMERSAULTS AND BACK FLIPS in the cockpit.

[jododger]

You could always look at the type of people that fly that ride:

F4U (girly types) SHawk Thing SkyRock DragonH5
F6F  Greebo BushLT......see real men fly straight wings




Hhehehee

[Rigger1]

So after trial and error in both planes in a fighter and jabo role I have to agree they are evenly matched.  I don't know what it is, but the F6F just has a better feel to it. Over the past week I have flown it almost exclusively and am doing quite well with it.   Mark me down next to Mr. Greebo as a hellcat sympathizer!