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Offline Guppy35

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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 02:38:10 PM »
The HE-177 has many atributes that make it great. It would probably see as much, if not more use than allied heavy bombers in the LWA
It has the payload of a Lancaster (up to 13,000lbs+)
It has the defensive guns of a B-17 (x2 20mm, x5 13mm, x1 7.92mm)
It can carry the Fritz X, which has been asked about
It is faster than a B-17
But it burns like a B-24

I'm all for being optimistic but I'd strongly suggest you go back and research the 177 a bit more :aok

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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 03:10:44 PM »
I plowed a pair of 262's into the mountain a while back, I was on an auto climb and AFK'ed to take a wizz, I wasn't gone 2-3 minutes when I came back I was climbing over a hill and wasn't going to make it, I tried to fish tail and fly back down the mountain but I ended up stalling :(

I swear there was NO mountain in sight and on the map I was at least 2 sectors from it, I think HTC just randomly spawned the mountain in front of me to crash into  :furious :furious

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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 04:07:51 PM »
I'm not understanding why there are some people so down on the He111. 

It can carry 4400 lbs of ord; it climbs well enough to hang with medium and heavy bombers; has a max speed of 275mph which is not out of league with the other medium or heavy bombers; it has a 20mm ventral MG for defense (if HTC adds H6/H10 version), and has plenty of range. 

It would be like taking up a B26 with 8/500 lb bombs (8/250kg), climbing like a Ju88 then flying level at B25 speeds, having the defensive guns similar to the Ki67 (a single 20mm and .30 cals), and having the max range similar to the B26 we started with.  What is the issue??? Why are some people intent on only adding in the "best" for the LW arena?  News flash: having and using nothing but the "best" is as boring and gamey as it comes.  I feel sorry for those who think that is what AH is all about.     
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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 04:10:21 PM »
Ki-67 has a 20mm and 12.7mms, not .30 cals.
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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2012, 07:54:23 PM »
In the book "Military Aircraft Visual Encyclopedia" By Jim Winchester says the HE-177:
Had a ceiling of 7,000m (22,000+ feet)
Top Speed 295 MpH
Bomb Load of 6,000kg (13,000+lbs)
Defencive guns x3 7.92mm, x4 13mm, x2 20mm
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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2012, 08:04:29 PM »
In the book "Military Aircraft Visual Encyclopedia" By Jim Winchester says the HE-177:
Had a ceiling of 7,000m (22,000+ feet)
Top Speed 295 MpH
Bomb Load of 6,000kg (13,000+lbs)
Defencive guns x3 7.92mm, x4 13mm, x2 20mm

Perhaps in one of the hybrids, but not the H-6/H-10 variants.  The H-6/H-10 would be a more logical choice, at least imo, because of the numbers produced and the abilities of the aircraft. 

From what I remember, the version that carried the 6000 lbs of ord needed RATO's to get off the ground (I'm thinking someone somewhere got their "lbs" mixed up with their "kg", there is no way the He111 could lift off with 13,000 lbs of ord let alone have enough room to carry it all).

Also, keep in mind when their is a source saying X aircraft had a speed of Y, don't forget to check the weight in which it was measured.  There is a difference in an aircraft that is loaded down with %100 fuel and full ords vs one that is %50 fuel and no ords.  Some data does not differentiate and that tidbit is not disclosed.  Food for thought. 

I'm sure someone with a legit source will chime in on what the maximum speed of the He111 was at X weight and Y altitude. 
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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2012, 08:10:18 PM »
Ki-67 has a 20mm and 12.7mms, not .30 cals.

Ah.  It is the G4M that has the .30's (7.7mm Jap) and the 20mm.  My bad. 
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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2012, 03:59:40 PM »
Perhaps in one of the hybrids, but not the H-6/H-10 variants.  The H-6/H-10 would be a more logical choice, at least imo, because of the numbers produced and the abilities of the aircraft. 

From what I remember, the version that carried the 6000 lbs of ord needed RATO's to get off the ground (I'm thinking someone somewhere got their "lbs" mixed up with their "kg", there is no way the He111 could lift off with 13,000 lbs of ord let alone have enough room to carry it all).

Also, keep in mind when their is a source saying X aircraft had a speed of Y, don't forget to check the weight in which it was measured.  There is a difference in an aircraft that is loaded down with %100 fuel and full ords vs one that is %50 fuel and no ords.  Some data does not differentiate and that tidbit is not disclosed.  Food for thought. 

I'm sure someone with a legit source will chime in on what the maximum speed of the He111 was at X weight and Y altitude. 

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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2012, 09:57:10 AM »
I am happy any time AH adds a plane even if I only fly it a few times a month.  I blow up more 410's and new Ju-87s than I fly.  I love both new additions though.  AH did a great job on them!  :aok

That being said I think I will have consistently more stick time in the Ki-43 when it is added while not so much the HE-111 (but agree we need to have it anyway).

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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2012, 06:58:40 PM »
The He-111 is already inbound.

What  :headscratch:?
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2012, 07:37:32 PM »
Everyone voted for the Me-410 thinking it was a blockbuster late war fighter only to find out after the first sortie they would never fly it again, now think of 50x worse now you got a He-111.

/After the first sortie, everyone crams into a B-17 and climbs to 25k as normal
Very MA of you to say.The HE 111 and the NEED of it have nothing to do with MA,Fso's pull in over 250 players along with other spacial events that pull in even more,and the HE 111 is long over do.And I'm willing to put money on it that it IS already one of our next planes to be released.
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Re: it is time for a new axis bomber.....
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2012, 09:39:44 PM »
The next 2 planes that should be added are the HE-111 and JU-52
HE-177 would be my third choice
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