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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2012, 12:29:10 AM »
Some of you guys swinging purses need to check the raw data that AH is using.  If an M3 or M4 armed with 75mm AP defeats a King Tiger or a Tiger from the front then we know something is wrong with the programming.  I do believe that once upon a time Looshy sent in a bug report regarding the M4/75mm being able to kill the Tiger with a frontal shot and Pyro determined it had to do with the shot hitting the top armor and not the front armor.  Otherwise, the 75mm can NOT defeat the Tiger or King Tiger from the front, period.

HE rounds can damage tanks in AH.  It may not destroy then but HE rounds can certainly track a tank.  In fact, just an FYI: I never take a full ammo supply of AP only, at minimum I will take the smallest load of HE to use against M3's, M8's, M18's, FLAKS, etc. A near miss will damage turrets, wheels, tracks, engines, or even outright destroy them.  If there is an enemy tank hiding behind a berm and is abusing the terrain (sticking his barrel through the berm that allows him to shoot but fully protects him from incoming rounds), and you have a Tiger, T34/85, or M4/785, may I suggest lobbing in some HE and see what it does.  :aok

 

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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2012, 08:14:04 AM »
I have used 75 mm HE at short range against the side armor of panzers to kill them , if that is not correct , some let me know and I'll recreate to show how I've done it. So it can be fixed, I believe however,,m that it is correct.
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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2012, 12:17:06 PM »
It very well might be correct. It really depends. If its representing the shell penetrating the tank before it detonates, then its correct. If its representing the shell exploding on the outside of the tank, and then the tank dying to spalling, then its partially incorrect, as the driver would be safe-ish depending on hit location (the only crew member you have to kill to destroy the tank, it seems), and spalling might not do a thing to the engine (and HE hits seem to be guaranteed kills).


However, it seems to be the former, as I have yet to see a low velocity HE shell kill a tank at extended ranges, which clearly indicates that the shell is simply failing to penetrate the armor at extended ranges, and this is doing no damage.


HE rounds can damage tanks in AH.  It may not destroy then but HE rounds can certainly track a tank.

True. But we can't reasonably expect a 122mm to destroy a Tiger II from the front with our current modeling. About the best we could hope for is that a near miss from something like a 152mm has sufficient blast to destroy with a near miss, in a manner simmilar to the 8" gun (although I have no idea if the 8"er can even destroy a Tiger II, since I haven't tested it, and even a 152mm seems a bit small to contain a sufficient explosive charge).
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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2012, 12:31:49 PM »
True. But we can't reasonably expect a 122mm to destroy a Tiger II from the front with our current modeling. About the best we could hope for is that a near miss from something like a 152mm has sufficient blast to destroy with a near miss, in a manner simmilar to the 8" gun (although I have no idea if the 8"er can even destroy a Tiger II, since I haven't tested it, and even a 152mm seems a bit small to contain a sufficient explosive charge).
Tank Ace think of the 8IN as a 500lb bomb because you have 3 in 1 salvo it takes 2 salvos to kill a hangar thus equaling about 3,000lbs of ordance I do believe the 8in could kill a KT
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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2012, 12:38:02 PM »
Tank Ace think of the 8IN as a 500lb bomb because you have 3 in 1 salvo it takes 2 salvos to kill a hangar thus equaling about 3,000lbs of ordance I do believe the 8in could kill a KT

True. Although I'm not going to take it as a guaranteed thing untill I see proof. AH being the simulation that it is, might be something screwy.
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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2012, 03:01:30 PM »
At this time I'd be willing to bet that a King Tiger and Tiger can not be defeated by any tank HE in the game.  If and when the Su-100 arrives it wont have any better of a chance to defeat a King Tiger or Tiger than the Panther using AP or HE.  The Su-152 on the other hand... I wont place any bets against that thing. 
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Re: new Tank destoryers......
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2012, 06:03:14 PM »
At this time I'd be willing to bet that a King Tiger and Tiger can not be defeated by any tank HE in the game.  If and when the Su-100 arrives it wont have any better of a chance to defeat a King Tiger or Tiger than the Panther using AP or HE.  The Su-152 on the other hand... I wont place any bets against that thing.

Really depends on how big of a blast the HE shell creates. AP penetration wasn't stellar or anything, and without the effects of poor steel quality and the stress of such a large projectile hitting the armor, it wouldn't penetrate the glacis plate or the turret.
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