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Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« on: November 23, 2012, 05:48:19 PM »
A statistical analysis.

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Attack mode is another area that should be adjusted.  Meaning that ground attack should only be scored here to eliminate what some practice.  Meaning they fly a few fighter sorties and then switch to attack mode only after that.

Such a request would not be made if the author wouldn't think that this practice is a bad thing for the game. In fact, it sometimes seems to be widespread knowledge that this is a widespread practice by pilots looking for a 'good' fighter rank, even being a necessity to get to the top?

Well is it? How widespread is it, and how effective?
To find out, I examined the time spent in fighter vs attack mode for all players flying in either mode in tour 153 as well as the tour winners (fighter) of all tours in this year so far.

First I sorted the pilots of tour 153 by fighter rank and noted the fighter/attack time ratio for the top 10, top 20, 50, 100 and so on until I got to rank 3000 (while there are a few hundred more ID's more, they didn't effectively took part in the game at all, so I dropped them)



Obviously the more "successful" pilots did fly less of their time in fighter mode - but the change is surprisingly low. 60% among the top 10 vs ~ 72% among the top 1000 pilots isn't that much of a difference. Which could easily be explained by the 'lesser' ranked (and supposedly often new pilot) caring less about flying attack runs on towns in fighter mode, while the 'better' ranked just take a tad more care in their mode selection.



But let's go into more detail: The top 20 fighter pilots of tour 153



As we can see, the numbers are all over the place. Obviously there is no direct relation between time in modes and resulting rank. Some seem to "optimize" a lot, but others don't and even with ~100% sorties (and a lot of them) in fighter mode making it to the top 20.


But maybe it's a necessity for 'winning' the tour? Now here the data of the past tour winners:



We have a tendency for low fighter to attack time ratios, but still there are some who don't seem to care a lot and still got the #1 spot.



So if i try to answer my initial question myself: No, it's not a very widely used practice, and it's much less a requirement of getting a 'good' rank at all. The individual player can be able to boost his ranking by a few notches by optimizing his fighter/attack sortie selection, but the gain is relatively low and apparently only interesting if he is definitely going for the number  spot and needs every ounce of advantage he can get.
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 05:49:32 PM »
You must be really bored.  :aok

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 05:51:14 PM »
You must be really bored.  :aok

No, I'm just very a curious person.  :)

It took only one B-29 sortie by the way... ;)
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 06:01:54 PM »
No, I'm just very a curious person.  :)

It took only one B-29 sortie by the way... ;)

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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 07:08:16 PM »
You must be really bored.  :aok

You must be really rude.  :aok
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 07:13:59 PM »
Very cool stuff Luche as always :aok

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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2012, 07:23:39 PM »
Wow Lusche! 

Thanks for taking the time to do that.  I have often wondered if there was any real correlation between ranking and the often-heard claims that you based your topic upon, but have never taken the time to sort through the data.

If you don't mind me asking...  How do you quickly compile your data into a usable format?  Do the stat pages allow you to save the data into Excel or something similar?
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2012, 07:28:54 PM »
You must be really rude.  :aok

 :huh Gives the guy a thumbs up for his work = rude.  :huh

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2012, 07:32:13 PM »
If you don't mind me asking...  How do you quickly compile your data into a usable format?  Do the stat pages allow you to save the data into Excel or something similar?


No, I had to write my own programs to get the data from there. I do grab the basic plane stats as well as the player scores after the completion of each tour, which takes a few hours all in all. I do all further work in openoffice calc (specific analysis, upading the grand plane stats 'database', looking for new trends and changes in gameplay)
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 07:48:10 PM »
I would suspect that the top pilots that fly a majority of their time in fighters, actually know how to fight, and the ones who have a low percentage of hops in fighter mode but rank high would be less likely to hold up to a DA skills "test"!    :aok


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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2012, 07:54:09 PM »
:huh Gives the guy a thumbs up for his work = rude.  :huh

Ignorant too, you must be quite the catch.   :aok
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 08:59:12 PM »
Ignorant too, you must be quite the catch.   :aok

 :huh The troll is strong with this one.


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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2012, 09:03:34 PM »
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2012, 10:06:46 PM »
Stats are great. Thanks Snail.
I'm wondering about time spent in fighter vs total time in game for Tour overall winners?
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Re: Gaming the Game? Top ranking and Fighter vs Attack Mode
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2012, 10:08:09 PM »
Snail I'm not sure but I think your data is screwed.
For instance tour 149 Bruv119 has 64hrs 39 mins total time but flew 15 hrs 40 mins in Fighter.
How is that less than 10% as per your last chart?
Just wondering if I'm reading it the way it's intended. :aok


Bruv wasn't fighter #1 in 149...#

The fighter #1 had ~8.5h in fighter mode vs ~82.5h in attack mode
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