How do ya use gunsight for panzer main gun?

[MK-84]

The link I posted shows exactly how to use the German tank sights.  More importantly it does allow for an extremely accurate hit % on the first shot. Period. It works!  
     While you can and do, get better at guessing the range over time playing, I just posted how exactly to do it. No guessing!
     Why did everyone appear to ignore the link, when it answers the exact question that the OP posted?  

edit: Here is the link again http://www.75thguards.com/ww2online/downloads/Zheriz_Ziess_Sight_Guide.pdf

[SmokinLoon]

The link I posted shows exactly how to use the German tank sights.  More importantly it does allow for an extremely accurate hit % on the first shot. Period. It works!  
     While you can and do, get better at guessing the range over time playing, I just posted how exactly to do it. No guessing!
     Why did everyone appear to ignore the link, when it answers the exact question that the OP posted?  

edit: Here is the link again http://www.75thguards.com/ww2online/downloads/Zheriz_Ziess_Sight_Guide.pdf

I took the official measurements of all the gv's in AH and applied the formula to get a chart based on SAE measurements.  I will be glad to share it with people.  Does anyone have a way to link it, or post it on their website.   

If the custodians of the AH Trainer's website was interested in updating they could post it there.  Ditto goes for the tank info chart and weapons damage (weapon projectile strength) info I've made from scratch.  There is a ton of player made stuff (Looshy has some stuff as well) that could be posted on the AH Trainer's website... but it is stuck in 2005 mode and that is another topic of discussion.       

[Lusche]

but it is stuck in 2005 mode

They know it and as far as I know they are working on it.  


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On topic: When the new gunsights appeared I immediately did the maths and the charts to fully utilize the German gunsights.
But interestingly I found myself to be just as, and often even more effective by going just by my gut feeling for the initial distance. Probably in part because it required less concious thinking and estimating, but then I'm having plenty of practice compared to the average AH player. Someone with less experience might benefit more from it...

[JimmyD3]

The link I posted shows exactly how to use the German tank sights.  More importantly it does allow for an extremely accurate hit % on the first shot. Period. It works! 
     While you can and do, get better at guessing the range over time playing, I just posted how exactly to do it. No guessing!
     Why did everyone appear to ignore the link, when it answers the exact question that the OP posted?  

edit: Here is the link again http://www.75thguards.com/ww2online/downloads/Zheriz_Ziess_Sight_Guide.pdf

Well, I went there and printed out MK, thank you very much for the link.

[SmokinLoon]

They know it and as far as I know they are working on it.  
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On topic: When the new gunsights appeared I immediately did the maths and the charts to fully utilize the German gunsights.
But interestingly I found myself to be just as, and often even more effective by going just by my gut feeling for the initial distance. Probably in part because it required less concious thinking and estimating, but then I'm having plenty of practice compared to the average AH player. Someone with less experience might benefit more from it...

I hope so.  I've offered as I'm sure you have as well to share a lot of information for any and everyone to have access to, it would be good for people to reference.  Most people have no clue that the British 60 pdr rockets are the best air to ground rockets in the game and the 8 of them on a Mossi or Tiff = over 400 lbs more damage than 2/500lb bombs.  Handy to know when pounding a hanger, shore battery, or a ship.  Likewise, most people do not know the M4/75mm does more HE damage to a town when compared to a Tiger using just the main gun alone (M4/75mm = 178dmg X 15 rds a min = 2670 dmg vs Tiger's 88mm = 234 dmg x 8.5 rds a min = 1989 dmg)!!! Now add in the Calliope rockets, the lack of risking perks, and it is real easy to see who the king of pounding a town is.   

I agree, the "gut" feeling is still a better starting point than doing the mathematical formula for each engagement.  I set my sights to 1000 yards and adjust from there using the standby for M4's, T34's, and Panzer's: 4 mils from side = 1600 yards away; if 2 mils wide while facing = 1600 yards away; and when facing 1/4th or 3/4th towards me and is 3 mils wide = 1600 yards away.  The KT, Tiger, and Panther are all larger than the "stand by".  The 1600 yards is the general distance while the actual distance varies from (4 mils from side) 1650yd for the T34, 1640yd for the M4, and 1617 yd for the Pzr IV.  While facing the front of the enemy tank, if 2 mils wide the T34 is actually 1625yd, the M4 is 1460yd, and the Pzr IV is 1800yd.     

[Lusche]

I agree, the "gut" feeling is still a better starting point than doing the mathematical formula for each engagement.  I set my sights to 1000 yards and adjust from there using the standby for M4's, T34's, and Panzer's: 4 mils from side = 1600 yards away; if 2 mils wide while facing = 1600 yards away; and when facing 1/4th or 3/4th towards me and is 3 mils wide = 1600 yards away.  The KT, Tiger, and Panther are all larger than the "stand by".  The 1600 yards is the general distance while the actual distance varies from (4 mils from side) 1650yd for the T34, 1640yd for the M4, and 1617 yd for the Pzr IV.  While facing the front of the enemy tank, if 2 mils wide the T34 is actually 1625yd, the M4 is 1460yd, and the Pzr IV is 1800yd.     

That's way more thinking than I do 
I don't even conciously notice how many mils a target is wide or high, or how many mil's I'm leading and so on. My initial estimations are only based on the size of the target presenting itself, without comparing it to the marks on the gunsight at all. If we could change gunsights in tanks just like we can in planes, I only would put in a few basic dots for reference - similar to the simple "dot'o'death' gunsight I'm using in planes. Trying to use more than juts a basic mark tends to hamper my aim, as I'm starting to "think" too much about it.

Use the Force... 

[MK-84]

I've always found the panzer sights to be the best. Part is probably that I am in a panzer most of the time though.
For me I find I can set the sight to a specific distance and manually correct farther or shorter distances with kinda that "gut" feeling several of you have mentioned.  Using the sight essentially gives me much less guesswork to do.  During a spawn battle almost always set the sights to actual range and then aim slightly lower or higher depending on the "usually" slight varations in distance to target.
In the TigerII I often use the sight as essentially intended because it can afford to take a hit or two and I really really dont want to miss with the slow reload time.

[SmokinLoon]

Yesterday I was in a Panzer Mk IV F/2 working at A53, I went to the town and used up all of my HE and then proceeded to set up outside of town about 1000 yards and do a blocking action against inbound enemy tanks and FLAK from their off base vehicle spawn.  As the enemy gv's rolled in I was able to get hits on inbound T34's and Panzers on either the first or second shot every time using my chart.  The furthest hit was 2800 yards and the closest was 1200.  I ended up with 8 kills when I was finally taken out by a T34 at 1000 yards or so that was able to get me from my flank, he spawned from the field.  All in all it was a fun time playing the cat and mouse game from the longer ranges, it only would been better if I were in a Panther but then I would not have earned almost 20 perks even after getting "killed" in my Mk IV F/2.   

Point being is once the sight is learned and it becomes a "system" then the user gets the full benefit of the sight.  By no means am I a William Tell, but this sight sure closes the gap for the average player like me.  I've not taken the time to learn the T34/85 tank sight but I know that too is set up the same way.  That is just another example of how the Soviets learned from the Germans in WWII.     

I've just been contacted by someone "in the know" from the AH Trainer's website and I will again offer all I have to help with player accessible data.  Weapons, tank info, German "mili-radian" tank sight ranging charts, etc.    

[Tank-Ace]

I honestly don't even think about it in terms of meters or yards. My thought process, when I think about it at all, is "k, lets see...held down the key long enough. Check. Dial-thingy moved about yay-far. Check. And Mr. Triangle moved down by that much. Check. All right, we're in buisiness, lets shoot this mo-fo!"



And loon, I would love to have that chart. You wanna email it to me?

[SmokinLoon]

I honestly don't even think about it in terms of meters or yards. My thought process, when I think about it at all, is "k, lets see...held down the key long enough. Check. Dial-thingy moved about yay-far. Check. And Mr. Triangle moved down by that much. Check. All right, we're in buisiness, lets shoot this mo-fo!"



And loon, I would love to have that chart. You wanna email it to me?

Emails.  I need emails and I will forward the mili-radian chart and some other stuff.  That goes for anyone.      

[SmokinLoon]

Emails.  I need emails and I will forward the mili-radian chart and some other stuff.  That goes for anyone.      

[I couldn't edit previous post with an "update", hence the quote]

The first batch of emails has been sent.  I've sent out the AH mili-radian chart for the German tank sights, a tank reference chart, and a very recently updated weapon projectile damage chart. 

I'm working on a tutorial on "how" to use the mili-radian sight, but in the short term the link provided above by MK-84 does a good enough job.

[SmokinLoon]

[again, unable to edit previous post]

Second batch of emails with the spreadsheets outbound.

Please send me a PM if any more of you want the info.  Also, those of you who have it please feel free to share.   

[RotBaron]

For me I find I can set the sight to a specific distance and manually correct farther or shorter distances with kinda that "gut" feeling several of you have mentioned.  Using the sight essentially gives me much less guesswork to do.  During a spawn battle almost always set the sights to actual range and then aim slightly lower or higher depending on the "usually" slight varations in distance to target.

Would you expand upon setting the sight? I just started reading the linked article posted here re: mil-radian.  I knew there had to be more to this sight as it has the least amt. of detail from the gunner view.

Will repost after finishing the article to keep from continuing to look  totally noobish.