Self-impressed calls me cheater

[Pawz]

The rules are the first thread in each main heading of the BBS, and you can read them any time you like to be sure.

Rule number 8 says....

8- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.

so technically you should send the info to HTC. However if you want a good witch hunt you can post the name here and we will all glad drag this clown through the mud for ya   

 

[mbailey]

 Wear it as a badge of honor RotBaron my friend......

Best line ive ever read on the bbs was something as follows (im paraphrasing)   "Sometimes people just need to explain away their suckage"

Seems fitting in this instance

 

[LCADolby]

 

[FLS]

Posting complaints about individual players is always a bad idea. Complaints about players should always be emailed to HTC.

[ImADot]

Bringing stuff like this to the BBS serves no useful purpose...plus will get the thread locked for Rules violations.

But since we're talking...
I got called a cheater because I could kill a certain Hurri 2c with a Spit V. "No way a Spit V can out-turn a Hurri - it seems you're the only one who can do it".    It's called "out-flying", not "out-turning". 

[RotBaron]

Copy, thank you all for the sage advice.

I have read the rules a couple times so far, and I'll keep all of the things mentioned in mind...

 


Rot

[mthrockmor]

In 2+ years I've had 'rubber bullets' once. Logged out, back in problem solved. A few months ago I took after some Lancs over our strats armed with a Me-163. My first pass I watched several bursts as the 30mms hit the fuselage, nothing. Didn't until second pass. It happens. No cheating.

Boo

[Chalenge]

   starting crap can have the same affect. How bout we raise above the petty horsecrap in these threads. 

You trying to show moral superiority? 

[Butcher]

I know for a fact that I've blasted lancasters in a 262 with bursts of hits that would down a plane in MG armed planes let alone 30mm - and only to have them lose a flap (if Im lucky) and fly away.

I would simply say your aim sucks, unless show a film to say otherwise, people tend to blame to many things - Cats, internet connection, the sun etc. Reality is unless you hit key areas the plane will not go down.

I'm not being a sweetheart or anything, but unless you seriously fly a 262 multiple times per tour, the aim can be a little...tricky, adding high speed makes it more of a problem. I can show proof there is absolutely nothing wrong with 262s.

[bustr]

This is an ongoing complaint about the expected outcome of gunnery with the tater in the K4. It may be the best platform to showcase all of the factors that can cause you to achive the unexpected outcome of missing from almost point blank with the tater.

A much better thread could be started in the training section to talk about the problems related to gunnery with the K4. I've recently filmed offline K4 gunnery testing a new gunsight I hoped will help me address the obvious differences in lead and azmuth from wing mounted guns. There are many factors going against you that will contribute to missing a B25 at 100 yards with the MK108 which I tested. One giant factor is in realy having no clue where that round is going at high speeds in an arched pursuit path in a 3D physics environment opposed to the dispersion clouds generated by horizontal stream crossing in wing cannon birds.

We don't know from this anything about the accusing player's conditions in his K4. Yes a film would be nice. But, even something as simple as knowing from him what his MK108 convergence was set to. The flatest trajectory to 400 yards is a Conv of 325-350. If he was under or over that and attacking from higher or lower and other factors to add up his 3D physics debt in resolving a guns solution for 1-3 taters touching somewhere on a bomber.

Another factor many players don't think about is how their mind looks at relative scale. Most of us spend our time shooting at small fighters from short distances. Suddenly we attack something 3 times as big as a fighter. Our aiming strategies come from a smaller closer picture. So now many get caught in letting that sight picture undermine our ability to hit something as large as a bomber. Even though we may see the distance flag. We are used to firing at a certain size silloutte in our gunsight picture and often fire too short from too far and miss or scatter our rounds all over a 100ft wingspan opposed to a 30ft wingspan we hit with concentrated fire. It's also hard to hit something with a single tater from 400yds when the dispersion can be upwards of 20ft.

Then many who shoot from engine mounted guns don't calculate the fact that the closer you get inside of 200 the higher you have to raise your nose because your cannon is down between your knees. You can shoot right under the rear gunner in a B17 inside of 200 thinking you should be blowing it out of the sky.

The K4 pilot probably had a bad night with the Internet and can hit a fly in the eye with a tater at 1000 yards any other time. After all we are all Carlos Hathcock's in this virtual reality and men just don't pry into how other men choose to aim their squirl gun. That could get emberassin..........

[hitech]

Network problems may have caused his 30mm hits not to register. I know for a fact that I've blasted lancasters in a 262 with bursts of hits that would down a plane in MG armed planes let alone 30mm - and only to have them lose a flap (if Im lucky) and fly away.

When stuff like that happens it's natural to start to wonder if this was just a freak network accident or something the other player caused on purpose.

Network problems can NOT cause a hit not to register.  ALL hits you see WILL allways be processed by the host unless you disco.

HiTech

[Chalenge]

Lancs can be tough but when you see the bright orange pumpkin its a pretty good indication that the target airplane is inches from destruction. If you are coming in from 12oc on a lanc in a 262 the merge could be 750-850 or so? Its pretty hard to hit the same spot twice at that speed even with the easier guns like the Hispanos or 50cal.

[bustr]

Network problems can NOT cause a hit not to register.  ALL hits you see WILL allways be processed by the host unless you disco.

HiTech

Seems like the player in the K4 needs to start a tech and help post.

If he is reading this. Practicing offline with the tater using the lead computing gunsight and filming say 20 minutes of shooting only the 30mm from 200, 400, 600, 800 will be helpful.

When you playback. Hit Z and goto about full zoom. Have the box for trails checked. Slow your film down to about .15 and for your sucessfull hits look at the relationship between the red wire frame trails and how you were using your gunsight. Elevation has two purposes. Bullet drop compensation somewhat but, forward relative motion compensation. Why does it seem like you miss alot shooting from a level dead-6? Also try different convergences. 325-350 is about the flatest you will get to 400. After 400 your 30mm begins to rapidly drop along with your time to target is getting really long.

This chart tells the story of why so many budding K4 drivers have problems past point blank and luck.

500m\sec InitV
-----------109yd--219yd--328yd---437yd--656yd
Distance-100m---200m---300m---400m---600m
Time-----.205----.422----.649-----.888-----1.443
Drop------8in-----2.7ft----6.4ft-----12ft-----28.7ft
Disper----7ft------14ft-----22ft-----30ft-----49ft

The combat speeds chart will give an idea of how easy it is to miss in .422 second with a tater with your con 219 yards. At 250mph 45 yards is 135ft. At 437yds at 250mph, 267ft. It's very easy to throw taters everywher but at a bomber. And they are so big when you look at them..........

Combat Speeds 90 degree left<--->right Travel in Yards.

--Time----.10--.20---.30--.40--.50--.60--.70--.80--.90---1.0--1.5--seconds
Speed
250mph---11---22---33---45---56---67---78---89--100--112--168--yards
300mph---14---29---43---58---73---87--102--116--131--146--219
350mph---17---34---51---68---85--102--119--136--153--171--256
400mph---19---39---58---78---97--117--136--156--175--195--292

Notice a very sorry trend here in drop and dispersion? Since Hitech lets you virtualy tilt the barrel up through the engine you might as well take advantage of the up tilt to get about 2 feet high of your LoS between 200 and 350. If he locked it in place like it should be you guys would have to learn about Mil and reticles instead of dots and kentuky game windage.

[Butcher]

Seems like the player in the K4 needs to start a tech and help post.

Not really, he sat behind Lancs and couldn't shoot them down.

[bustr]

Not really, he sat behind Lancs and couldn't shoot them down.

I'm kinda looking at helping players want to keep paying subscriptions even if their eyes cross reading the data tables I beleive Hitech is using that are thwarting thier kentucky windage aiming misconceptions. This isn't the Marines where you sign up to be told you suck and thank the nice gunny for caring. The best revenge in the free market by the consumer is to tell HTC they suck and vote with their wallet when a gunny unloads on them.

A certaint amount of myth busting then is in order even if the player couldn't find his kester with the help of a birdog and a proctologist. Past 75yds the MK108 tater has abismal ballistics becasue of dispersion. If I think I might fly the K4 in the MA, I spend 30 minutes offline plinking at the drones. I wonder how many K4 kills are really the MG 131? The last time I flew the K4 exclusively Platano flew for the muppets. It took weeks after I stopped flying it to hit anything with other guns consistantly.

And congratulations to you if you are the gunnery and kentucky windage god of our universe and can use any gun in existance with your eyes closed to shoot the wings off a fly at 1000yds. Seems to be a very large concentration of gunnery gods in this game or at least posting to this forum.